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BBQ in Balcony?

Is it forbidden or allowed to make BBQ in your balcony in CH?
I live in a 4 flat PPE, and wondeing if there is a rule to forbid it?
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Re: BBQ in Balcony?

What does your rental contract/agreement say ?

If i am not mistaken most landlords should be okay with tenants using an electric grill.
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Re: BBQ in Balcony?

I use a coal grill, and nothin mentioned on rental contract!
My concern is the smoke that can bother the other neighbours!
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Re: BBQ in Balcony?

The Vaud tenancy rules specifies that barbecues are allowed so long as they don't indispose other inhabitants of the building and surrounding buildings:

Article 13:
Grillades
Les grillades sur les balcons et dans les jardins
sont admises pour autant qu'elles ne dérangent pas
les autres habitants de l'immeuble et des immeubles
voisins ou qu'elles ne provoquent pas de
dégâts à l'immeuble

http://www.aubort.ch/pdf/rulv.pdf

So coal bbq is out. Get a gas or electric one instead...
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The Vaud tenancy rules specifies that barbecues are allowed so long as they don't indispose other inhabitants of the building and surrounding buildings:

Article 13:
Grillades
Les grillades sur les balcons et dans les jardins
sont admises pour autant qu'elles ne dérangent pas
les autres habitants de l'immeuble et des immeubles
voisins ou qu'elles ne provoquent pas de
dégâts à l'immeuble

http://www.aubort.ch/pdf/rulv.pdf

So coal bbq is out. Get a gas or electric one instead...
Grill is with coal. Anything else is just

If done right, coal bbq does NOT produce any more smoke than a gas or electric "grill". I for myself don't use any chemicals/ paper/ or wood but an electric resistance to heat up the coal.
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I use a coal grill, and nothin mentioned on rental contract!
My concern is the smoke that can bother the other neighbours!
I feel for you - coal grill is the best IMO but it will bother your neighbours. They might take it one time and not complain, but don't count on this.

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I used to think like that too but you can have a really good time around an electric one too.
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Re: BBQ in Balcony?

Balconies aren't there for you to grill on. Especially if it's fish (I'm looking at you, my neighbours from Lusitania who waft coal smoke and sardine smells down to my flat).
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Is it forbidden or allowed to make BBQ in your balcony/building in CH?
Wrong question as there's no specific law on that. Rather, it depends on the individual buildings' rules (Hausordnung in German, no idea what it's called in French). Usually grilling is allowed as long as your beighbors don't complain.

If grilling is allowed it's a good idea to speak to your neighbors, especially those directly above you. Perhaps they're Ok with you grilling but would nonetheless like to be warned so they can close the windows in advance, or whatever. Or somebody is particularly sensitive to certain goods (like yours truly, sensitive to sea food and fish wafts for example).

Inviting them over every once in a while may increase their tolerance

As mentioned, coal grills in a standard setup produce much more smoke than gas. I wouldn't be surprised if you had to switch to gas, though some coal grills are claimed to produce little to no smoke, but even then getting the coal to working temperatures smokelessly seems a challenge.
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Balconies aren't there for you to grill on. .
My Swiss neighbours grill on their balconies too....or in the garden, those who live on the ground floor.

So OP; look at what your Swiss neighbours do and draw your own conclusions.
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Wrong question as there's no specific law on that. Rather, it depends on the individual buildings' rules (Hausordnung in German, no idea what it's called in French). Usually grilling is allowed as long as your beighbors don't complain.
Wrong. Vaud has a collective agreement on rules for tenants that applies to all housing unless specified in tenancy contract. OP is in Lausanne, thus Vaud applies.

Zurich people, I imagine you'll all pile in with your little rules, but they don't apply in this case.
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I feel for you - coal grill is the best IMO but it will bother your neighbours.
It doesn't bother mine, and I've had a wood fired smoker for 13 years!

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Re: BBQ in Balcony?

In Basel we used to live on the top with a large balcony, so lighting a charcoal grill was never an issue.

In Zurich we're on the last but one floor - we have a European Chef City Grill which runs on gas which admittedly is not the same but it gives decent results. I also have a small Bodum picnic charcoal grill. Sometimes I hanker after a charcoal-grilled Côte-de-Boeuf so check if the neighbours upstairs nearby are out before sparking up. That or take the picnic grill down to the local park with the family and a few tinnies.

Advantage of the gas grill is you can just flick it on (fnarr fnarr) if all you want to do is grill a sausage.

In the end you use your common sense and consideration.

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Re: BBQ in Balcony?

That's no way to describe your missus!

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It doesn't bother mine, and I've had a wood fired smoker for 13 years!

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Re: BBQ in Balcony?

If the coal grill doesn't produce any smoke why use coal I though the smoke was the extra flavour?
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If the coal grill doesn't produce any smoke why use coal I though the smoke was the extra flavour?
Charcoal itself should not produce smoke, especially for flavor. That requires damp wood or woodchips to be added to the charcoal (which I do often add).

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Wrong. Vaud has a collective agreement on rules for tenants that applies to all housing unless specified in tenancy contract.
Interesting. Got a reference? (in French is fine).
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Charcoal itself should not produce smoke, especially for flavor. That requires damp wood or woodchips to be added to the charcoal (which I do often add).

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Usually the smoke is produced when starting the fire, while the coal is still relatively cold. How do you avoid that?
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Usually the smoke is produced when starting the fire, while the coal is still relatively cold. How do you avoid that?
Use alcohol, propane, or electric to start it.

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Re: BBQ in Balcony?

Alcohol is the best way to start a barbecue.

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Interesting. Got a reference? (in French is fine).

Usually the smoke is produced when starting the fire, while the coal is still relatively cold. How do you avoid that?


Urs,


Have a look for a Lotusgrill. I tried one of these out last night. They have a small battery driven fan (with Speed control) built in. The mid sized one (GS340) takes about 3 minutes after lighting then you can start cooking. It produces absolutely no smoke during lighting.


I was skeptical, but was impressed. A pretty good solution for people with a balcony
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I use a coal grill, and nothin mentioned on rental contract!
My concern is the smoke that can bother the other neighbours!
Check your contract.. mine says allowed as long as doesn't cause disturbance to others... the bat upstairs complains about everything.
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