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Old 07.09.2016, 14:01
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One of the problems here is that the construction industry is not really a repeat customer domain.
It can be. Around these parts the building contractors tend to use the same companies all the time for the various sub contracts.

The builder who build our house had used the same contractors for the various different jobs for the vast majority of his projects. All the workmen we spoke to said they were happy working for him as he was always fair to them and I guess they were ready to go the extra mike for him in return because if it.

Obviously one off building projects for private individuals are a different story but this isn't the case here.

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Old 07.09.2016, 14:03
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6 mths after we moved in, I'm still airing the bathroom to try and get rid of the paint smell from a large fitted cupboard in the room. Everytime we have a shower, the paint smell comes back.
Someone needs to send me an invitation stat! There is nothing more enjoyable in my work day than going to sniff... I mean... check the work of the painters in the construction site. (yes, yes, I'm a junkie...).

I understand your frustration, Paddy. Really. I can't offer a solution. I've been lucky enough to have my demands heard when we go to the working site. Anyone caught smoking after the shell construction is done gets into real trouble with us.
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Old 07.09.2016, 14:38
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Re: Contractors smoking in new build

Another issue, and this may be clutching at straws a little, is the fire hazard. The room where he was caught and we subsequently found the SIX () fag-ends was full of cardboard boxes and packing materials for our bathroom fixtures.

Yes, I fully understand that the smell issue will be long gone and they could have been smoking anyway, without us ever finding out. However, we did catch them and it has been repeatedly made clear to the contractors and their employees that smoking is strictly prohibited. Unless some kind of punitive action is carried out, then they will continue to flaunt the rules until something serious does happen.
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Old 08.09.2016, 10:00
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Re: Contractors smoking in new build

It's probably a bit late now for you PaddyG as your handover is imminent but I was on FB chat with a Swiss friend who is a plumber, and his firm fits out houses as well as commercial properties. His advice might be useful for anyone else in a similar position in the future:

He said a fairly effective way to get things back on track is, if you catch someone flouting the rules such as smoking in this case, you warn them once and say if you catch them again you will ban them from the site. You as the end client have the authority in such a case, especially if it's a safety issue.

Banning a worker from a site will really cut deep with the contractor because he has a schedule to keep to and will have the site manager on his back if he's running behind because his workers keep getting chucked off for easily avoidable reasons.

In his experience, it normally gets results.
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Old 08.09.2016, 15:28
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Re: Contractors smoking in new build

I had a meeting at the house today and it seems the smoker is no longer working for the plumbing company. Apparently he'd been warned several times in the past. I feel a bit bad about contributing to someone losing their job, but on the other hand, you can't just flout the rules willy-nilly without consequences.
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Old 08.09.2016, 15:34
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I had a meeting at the house today and it seems the smoker is no longer working for the plumbing company. Apparently he'd been warned several times in the past. I feel a bit bad about contributing to someone losing their job, but on the other hand, you can't just flout the rules willy-nilly without consequences.

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Old 08.09.2016, 15:44
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shit, he knows where you live

(or will live)
I was just thinking that
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Old 08.09.2016, 15:54
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I was just thinking that
Sounds like you weren't the only one who took exception to him smoking in all the wrong places. If you are that stubborn to ignore a rule despite repeated warnings then you deserve whatever comes your way.
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Sounds like you weren't the only one who took exception to him smoking in all the wrong places. If you are that stubborn to ignore a rule despite repeated warnings then you deserve whatever comes your way.
I doubt he was fired purely on the basis of his smoking habits. If he/she was a particularly good plumber then it might have been tolerated.
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Old 08.09.2016, 16:16
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I doubt he was fired purely on the basis of his smoking habits. If he/she was a particularly good plumber then it might have been tolerated.
I wouldn't be so sure - PaddyG says above that he'd been warned a few times.
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Old 08.09.2016, 16:39
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I wouldn't be so sure - PaddyG says above that he'd been warned a few times.
I agree. I've been involved with several builds and it's not the first case I've heard of where employees have been fired for repeatedly flouting the rules despite warnings.
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Re: Contractors smoking in new build

If it's an apartment, legally speaking shouldn't you wait until the place is completed and the bank releases it to you before you could complain ? I know that there were problems with some people buying apartments and checking out the building site so often that they would be a nuisance (not your case of course).

IMO a few cigarettes is not a big deal. They are not working for a big bank where they can go on break any time... If they can't even smoke they may not work as well
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Old 10.09.2016, 22:49
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If it's an apartment, legally speaking shouldn't you wait until the place is completed and the bank releases it to you before you could complain ? I know that there were problems with some people buying apartments and checking out the building site so often that they would be a nuisance (not your case of course).

IMO a few cigarettes is not a big deal. They are not working for a big bank where they can go on break any time... If they can't even smoke they may not work as well
Come back when you have your own place built and they are smoking all over the place?
And why the ** should you only complain when it is finished? Legally speaking OP has every right to complain.......

You smoking anything now?
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First world problem!
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Yea, so? Doesn´t the owner have the right to say what happens in his house?
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Re: Contractors smoking in new build

They are smoking a cigarette...not skinning elefants....

anyway...are they paying the mortgage yet ? If they are they are definitely entitled to complain. Else, just wait. I'm sure you won't smell anything by the time is complete.
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They are smoking a cigarette...not skinning elefants....

anyway...are they paying the mortgage yet ? If they are they are definitely entitled to complain. Else, just wait. I'm sure you won't smell anything by the time is complete.

The only people who seem to think it's okay for the contractors to smoke on this thread are smokers themselves.*


The trouble is, they don't realise ho much they smell of stale smoke themselves. Smoking destroys ones sense of smell and taste.

* Not sure whether you smoke Frau Pippi? (I take it you're a woman?).
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The only people who seem to think it's okay for the contractors to smoke on this thread are smokers themselves.*


The trouble is, they don't realise ho much they smell of stale smoke themselves. Smoking destroys ones sense of smell and taste.

* Not sure whether you smoke Frau Pippi? (I take it you're a woman?).
Appreciate the thought, I'm a man
Anyway no, I'm not a smoker (stopped many moons ago), I'm a libertarian
You know that when the owner will finally take possession of the house there will NOT be any smell of smoke. There are people doing hard work, sometimes out in the cold, what harm can they do (to you) by having a quick fag every now and then ? Maybe there's no even windows installed.... it seems it's a complain more for the sake of it rather than for a real issue.
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Appreciate the thought, I'm a man
Anyway no, I'm not a smoker (stopped many moons ago), I'm a libertarian
You know that when the owner will finally take possession of the house there will NOT be any smell of smoke. There are people doing hard work, sometimes out in the cold, what harm can they do (to you) by having a quick fag every now and then ? Maybe there's no even windows installed.... it seems it's a complain more for the sake of it rather than for a real issue.
Ever heard of the old adage: He who got the money makes the rules?
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Ever heard of the old adage: He who got the money makes the rules?
Haha yes..true... as they say... sad but true.
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