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End cleaning fees etc as in the rental agreement that you agreed to when renting the apartment.
That depends on the landlord I guess. Usually if you clean everything properly it should be fine. But I've heard some landlord sent letters before the handover asking for things (Windows, kitchen, and so on) to be cleaned professionally. In such case one might just hire a firm to clean the entire flat professionally.
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That depends on the landlord I guess. Usually if you clean everything properly it should be fine. But I've heard some landlord sent letters before the handover asking for things (Windows, kitchen, and so on) to be cleaned professionally. In such case one might just hire a firm to clean the entire flat professionally.
It's such a bullsh1t... *professional cleaning*, often it's some cheap foreign labour doing the cleaning. No worries, the bill is surely a proper Swiss compliant one.

Everything can be cleaned by yourself, easily. Especially if the flat is cleaned on a regular basis, even like monthly. Too much grease on the oven/cooker? Awww, on someone was using that on a daily basis?

The PB is some often abusive landlords finding a way to justify keeping money out of the tenant. For example, omitting to mention the normal "wear and use". No kidding each items have an official life duration and it's officially listed in Switzerland.
Also, probably some tenants are not respecting the properties and are also trying to leave without caring.

One just need to thing of doing everything which will be checked.
-Dust on the little woods or hidden corners
-Replace the coal filter for the cooker's ventilation
-Remove the grease inside cooker, clean the kitchen hobbs...There's a tool really expensive for that, it's like between 5 and 10chf, some kind of scrapping tool. It's also possible to buy a bottle of product for up to 5chf. It's a bottle containing 250ML of chemicals. Sure, it's not "professional" and one need to buy 50L to clear properly
-Cleaning the dust from outside in the blinds... (soapy water and sponge= few chf)
-Cleaning the basement's floor... (a brush= few chf)


Ok enough, yeah it cost a fortune and it's so difficult. Hire professionals!
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It's such a bullsh1t... *professional cleaning*, often it's some cheap foreign labour doing the cleaning. No worries, the bill is surely a proper Swiss compliant one.

Everything can be cleaned by yourself, easily. Especially if the flat is cleaned on a regular basis, even like monthly. Too much grease on the oven/cooker? Awww, on someone was using that on a daily basis?

The PB is some often abusive landlords finding a way to justify keeping money out of the tenant. For example, omitting to mention the normal "wear and use". No kidding each items have an official life duration and it's officially listed in Switzerland.
Also, probably some tenants are not respecting the properties and are also trying to leave without caring.

One just need to thing of doing everything which will be checked.
-Dust on the little woods or hidden corners
-Replace the coal filter for the cooker's ventilation
-Remove the grease inside cooker, clean the kitchen hobbs...There's a tool really expensive for that, it's like between 5 and 10chf, some kind of scrapping tool. It's also possible to buy a bottle of product for up to 5chf. It's a bottle containing 250ML of chemicals. Sure, it's not "professional" and one need to buy 50L to clear properly
-Cleaning the dust from outside in the blinds... (soapy water and sponge= few chf)
-Cleaning the basement's floor... (a brush= few chf)


Ok enough, yeah it cost a fortune and it's so difficult. Hire professionals!
exactly! this (letter from landlord) happened to a colleague of mine and she just gave up and hired a firm. with the deposit in landlord's hand one can't really argue with them.
well I spent 60-70 chf for all the chemicals and tools for the final cleaning, which worked perfectly fine. of course it took me 3 days, some might argue that time is also money...
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Re: planning to do the moving cleaning myself

Many years ago I cleaned our flat with friends they came to check it wasn't clean enough because we had not taken the taps off and cleaned inside them. The next time we moved I hired a cleaning firm no stress a lot easier
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Many years ago I cleaned our flat with friends they came to check it wasn't clean enough because we had not taken the taps off and cleaned inside them. The next time we moved I hired a cleaning firm no stress a lot easier
the landlord sure knows where to check!
I have to say the 3 days cleaning was a bit stressful. but still, it is POSSIBLE to clean the flat yourself!
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the landlord sure knows where to check!
I have to say the 3 days cleaning was a bit stressful. but still, it is POSSIBLE to clean the flat yourself!
Yes she did. Yes it is but a lot less stressful to get a cleaning firm in.
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Yes she did. Yes it is but a lot less stressful to get a cleaning firm in.
Yeah, I do get a lot of stress when I receive orange payslip for thousands CHF!
We all react differently I guess...

As for the tap thing, lol a few hours in vinegar removes the calc. Or simply replacing the tap filter, a few CHF.

They noticed during handover? so what, then clean it on the spot or ask for fixing that and that's done- Surely they wanted to mention you failed, you're not complying with Swiss standards, dirty foreigner, and "help" you by doing it for you. Until you'll receive a few hundreds chf bill for the tap thing.

Yeah Switzerlande... I mean scammed.
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Re: planning to do the moving cleaning myself

I've moved out of swiss apartments twice, both lived in for 10 years plus so 'well-used', did the final cleaning myself both times and had no problems at all.

Really don't understand why people keep having so much trouble with this, unless landlords in the germanic part are really that much harder to please than they are down here in Geneva.
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I've moved out of swiss apartments twice, both lived in for 10 years plus so 'well-used', did the final cleaning myself both times and had no problems at all.

Really don't understand why people keep having so much trouble with this, unless landlords in the germanic part are really that much harder to please than they are down here in Geneva.
Because some landlord are scamming/pressuring some tenants because they know they're in position of power and it's easy money from an ignorant foreigner.
Possibly, also some are dirty bastrds and inconsiderate tenants.
A mix of both really.
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Yeah, I do get a lot of stress when I receive orange payslip for thousands CHF!
We all react differently I guess...

As for the tap thing, lol a few hours in vinegar removes the calc. Or simply replacing the tap filter, a few CHF.

They noticed during handover? so what, then clean it on the spot or ask for fixing that and that's done- Surely they wanted to mention you failed, you're not complying with Swiss standards, dirty foreigner, and "help" you by doing it for you. Until you'll receive a few hundreds chf bill for the tap thing.

Yeah Switzerlande... I mean scammed.
exactly I had all the chemicals and tools right there during handover and prepared for cleaning things on the spot!
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Re: planning to do the moving cleaning myself

I have a handover going on right now.. I knew the agency guy is a complete knob but he is complaining about everything... but it's upto the cleaning company to sort out. It's one of the reasons why we decided to get a company in.

He also complains the bottle holder in the fridge has a tiny crack after 7 years 😒.
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I have a handover going on right now.. I knew the agency guy is a complete knob but he is complaining about everything... but it's upto the cleaning company to sort out. It's one of the reasons why we decided to get a company in.

He also complains the bottle holder in the fridge has a tiny crack after 7 years 😒.
A fridge has a lifecycle of 10 years in total. So if it was new 7 years ago, in theory, it still would have 3 years of decent condition.

And take into account "usure normale vs usure excessive" (normal usage vs excessive usage).

See this list, translate it:
http://www.cvi.ch/fileadmin/document...rtissement.pdf

I doubt a crack in a tiny fridge item would count for excessive, but you never know.


BTW, in my experience, agents are the worse, be careful of the friendly agent who will deal with it later, no problems. Mine did not get any money for a 3cm crack under an old sink, but it was unpleasant for me to have to list 3 pages of what they have done wrong (wrong in a legal way).
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For 10 chf replacement I'm not going to argue the toss.. esp as he hasn't seen some other things. Sshhhhh
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For 10 chf replacement I'm not going to argue the toss.. esp as he hasn't seen some other things. Sshhhhh
Oh indeed then-
I've heard some who tried to replace the entire fridge at the tenant's expense (who did replace despite it was already "amortis" and no more valuable).

For a few CHF, then yes, it's fair to replace.

It's ok if he missed things, i'm sure as a good local you'll self report yourself in writing
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Yeah, I do get a lot of stress when I receive orange payslip for thousands CHF!
We all react differently I guess...

As for the tap thing, lol a few hours in vinegar removes the calc. Or simply replacing the tap filter, a few CHF.

They noticed during handover? so what, then clean it on the spot or ask for fixing that and that's done- Surely they wanted to mention you failed, you're not complying with Swiss standards, dirty foreigner, and "help" you by doing it for you. Until you'll receive a few hundreds chf bill for the tap thing.

Yeah Switzerlande... I mean scammed.
I did that but didn't expect them to take the taps apart and look inside
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Re: planning to do the moving cleaning myself

Hi,
I am gonna do It also by my self. How is it with painting. Do I have to paint the entire flat or just the walls that are little bit dirty because of my kids?
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Hi,
I am gonna do It also by my self. How is it with painting. Do I have to paint the entire flat or just the walls that are little bit dirty because of my kids?
How long have you lived in the flat? In general you can get away with a certain amount of 'grub' on the walls; finger marks around light switches, rub marks by beds, etc. count as fair wear and tear as long as it's consistant with normal living and not marks made because your little Picasso was using the walls as a blank canvas.
If you're unsure then if you ask most agents/landlords will come round for a pre-final visit walk though, then you can get a better idea of what exactly they want you to do and what they'd prefer you to leave.
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Re: planning to do the moving cleaning myself

pre-final visit of landlord can be helpful! mine came two months before I left actually, and pointed out all the things I should take care of!
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Re: planning to do the moving cleaning myself

We are planning to clean our house ourselves. Has anyone with HEV Security Deposit Insurance done this? Just thinking as we won't be getting any money back I might not stress as Insurance might cover any disputes??
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Re: planning to do the moving cleaning myself

Stupid question, maybe... How do you deal with living there and cleaning it for handover? Usually flats are rented out empty so until you move out how can you clean it when it is still full of stuff?

I thought that the way is to move out the last day, pay the professional cleaning company, hand the cleaning contract to the landlord and you are free.
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