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Vevey region - Need help with garden

Hello,

We have a small backyard, unfortunately sloping. We would like to install a retaining wall (1 m high and about 4 m wide) and install some steps.

Unfortunately all the quotes I have received so far are too high and are scaring me away from attempting to get this done.

Motivated by the recent post about a fellow EF member (but too far from here), I am posting to enquire if there are some knowledgeable and willing persons in Lausanne/Vevey area who are willing to help me with this work in the garden, for more reasonable charges.
I am open to recommendations for handymen too, if you could suggest someone.

Thanks a lot,
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Re: Vevey region - Need help with garden

Some people like to use old railway sleepers as retaining walls.

How strong are you? You would have to move all the soil out of the way, (maybe 8 cubic meters?) & install the retaining wall, with enough drainage. Then move the soil back into place and construct the steps.

it isn't impossible but it is hard work, which is why the quotes you received might seem to be high.
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Re: Vevey region - Need help with garden

I'd try asking on portals like ofri and renovero.

Also, although this may probably vary from canton to canton, you need a planning permit for a wall higher than 80cm. Perhaps this extra paperwork is the reason why people quoted you so high?
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Re: Vevey region - Need help with garden

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Some people like to use old railway sleepers as retaining walls.

How strong are you? You would have to move all the soil out of the way, (maybe 8 cubic meters?) & install the retaining wall, with enough drainage. Then move the soil back into place and construct the steps.

it isn't impossible but it is hard work, which is why the quotes you received might seem to be high.
Railway sleepers are difficult to obtain as they can cause cancer, they rot, despite what people say and as it's a retaining wall needs to be done properly as otherwise the neighbours/commune can complain and force you to do it again.

Unless you really know what you are doing a retaining wall is not a little Saturday afternoon job.

Send me a PM and i'll give you details of a guy who does this based in Vevey.
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Re: Vevey region - Need help with garden

We built a terraced wall out of a problematic slope. I wanted terraces for my strawberries and kitchen herbs.

The slope wasn't all that deep, the typical rough granite blocks would have meant losing quite a bit of ground, which would have sort of defeated the whole purpose of the project.

So instead of granite blocks we used granite sheets, 60x80x5. These are set in concrete so what I see is 60x60. The final wall is very solid, and looks just as substantial as one built out of those big blocks.

The advantage was not only planting space saved, but also that the granite could be placed by hand.

Not needing a crane for the entire duration of the project brought the cost down significantly. IIRC the final cost was less than a third of a quote we had based on using blocks. You might look into various materials and construction ideas, there are ways to make significant savings and still end up with great results.

If you are thinking of using non professionals, though... In addition to researching permits, do make sure you inderstand insurance and liability issues.

Good luck with your project!

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Re: Vevey region - Need help with garden

Whatever you do, please remember to get the required authorizations from the commune in advance. A professional will likely do this for you. Doing it yourself will require filing the said plans and schematics by yourself, so you need to have it well planned in advance. The less professional it looks, the more likely the neighbours will raise a fuss or formal objection. And do stick to the plans as filed, any modifications could make the whole thing have to be torn down.


In addition, am planning on constructing a retaining wall on a sloped surface to level out the garden; don't underestimate the risks in this. The gardener I had lined up has already indicated it is beyond his capabilities and has called in a construction engineer. When dealing with slopes and retaining a large amount of earth, it has a lot that can go wrong. Original plan was a terraced wall, then a normal wall, now it is a retaining wall reinforced. Sorry but to do it right without future liabilities and headaches it will cost a fair sum.
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Re: Vevey region - Need help with garden

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I'd try asking on portals like ofri and renovero.

Also, although this may probably vary from canton to canton, you need a planning permit for a wall higher than 80cm. Perhaps this extra paperwork is the reason why people quoted you so high?
Thanks, Ivan. I've contacted renovero, but didn't get any response from them.
With regards to the paperwork, none of the persons mentioned about the paperwork in the detailed quotes that they have given me. Problems with access yes, that could be one reason, but none about paperwork.

About permission from the commune, I'll check with my neighbours as all of them have installed retaining walls. I'll also check directly with the commune itself.
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We built a terraced wall out of a problematic slope. I wanted terraces for my strawberries and kitchen herbs.

The slope wasn't all that deep, the typical rough granite blocks would have meant losing quite a bit of ground, which would have sort of defeated the whole purpose of the project.

So instead of granite blocks we used granite sheets, 60x80x5. These are set in concrete so what I see is 60x60. The final wall is very solid, and looks just as substantial as one built out of those big blocks.

The advantage was not only planting space saved, but also that the granite could be placed by hand.

Not needing a crane for the entire duration of the project brought the cost down significantly. IIRC the final cost was less than a third of a quote we had based on using blocks. You might look into various materials and construction ideas, there are ways to make significant savings and still end up with great results.

If you are thinking of using non professionals, though... In addition to researching permits, do make sure you inderstand insurance and liability issues.

Good luck with your project!
Hello Meloncollie,

This is exactly what I want to get done. Install the retaining wall to get some terraced out area for planting herbs and some vegetables.

Your suggestion of granite sheets sounds wonderful. I'd never heard of these. All I've been suggested are granite stones (difficult to transport) or wooden planks (easy to transport, but short-life and prone to get damaged).
Could you point me to a website or link to these granite sheets? Are they available at Hornbach/ OBI?

Thanks a million,
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Re: Vevey region - Need help with garden

In German the term is 'Granitstelen' I have no idea what the French would be.

I bought the stone at the local natural stone dealer (Kuster in Bäch SZ). You probably want to find someone close to you given delivery costs. I didn't need that much stone, so he found me some beautiful pieces that were actually left over from a large job - thus saving me a few francs.

I did this almost 10 years ago, before the arrival of Hornbach - but it's certainly worth looking there. Hornbach does carry granite in several sizes.

Draw a picture of what you want, go talk to Hornbach, to the local quarry/stone dealer, get quotes for the materials from both.

Good luck!
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Re: Vevey region - Need help with garden

It is illegal to sell used railway sleepers

There were extensively used in gardens in the 80s and 90s having already been used for 20-40 years on the railways. Those currently being used will be 35-70 years - and if they have been placed in the ground vertically they are coming towards end of life (60-70 years). Where they have been used to build a wall (laid horizontally) chances are only the "wet" side will show sign of degradation - and they should be good for many years to come.

Disposing of sleeper is noticeably more expensive per ton

As for solutions (if you want wood) you can still buy solid wood schwellen - which can be treated for building retaining walls. http://eisenbahnschwellen.ch/produkte/
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