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Old 16.09.2016, 11:53
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maybe approach the regie directly?
That would seem like the obvious thing to do. If it is all being handled by them directly then they should know exactly what's going on,
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Re: Sublet Contract - urgent

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maybe approach the regie directly?
yes indeed, however I feel this has to be done "gently" as I dont want my landlord-to-be to feel i by-passed him
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Old 16.09.2016, 12:04
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yes indeed, however I feel this has to be done "gently" as I dont want my landlord-to-be to feel i by-passed him
Please don't start this with your landlord (the regie's tenant) - don't feel like you have to tiptoe around him. If he has a problem with you making it clear to the regie what your lease conditions are, then he should not be subletting.

If he has no problem with being bypassed surely he will already have informed the landlord of his sublet contract details. Doing that is precisely what is demanded in many rental contracts in Switzerland.
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Re: Sublet Contract - urgent

You should make sure you do a correct legal handover, ask the Regie to arrange this. Every mark, stain, and slight damage needs to be noted down, and signed for as agreed by both you and the tenant, on the legal form. Otherwise in one year's time you will find yourself paying for all the slight damage which is visible today!

Is the apartment furnished, will there be an inventory of the furniture, stating the condition of the fabrics?

All the meters should be read and agreed on the values. It would be best for you if you have your own electricity & gas account, paying directly to the power company.

Usually the basic analogue TV line rental is paid by the landlord, and included in the rent. What is the situation with any other digital connections? Is there a digital TV subscription to continue, or a satellite antenna? It all needs to be written down and signed for by both of you.

Before you move in, you need to buy an insurance policy, (Assurance à la responsabilité civile) covering your liability for damage to third party property and personal injury. About CHF 100 per year.
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Old 16.09.2016, 12:36
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Re: Sublet Contract - urgent

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Before you move in, you need to buy an insurance policy, (Assurance à la responsabilité civile) covering your liability for damage to third party property and personal injury. About CHF 100 per year.
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At the Mieterverband (and therefore I would hope also at ASLOCA), members can buy such a personal liability insurance very cheaply. This is because it is not for all sorts of liabilities, but only for those related to rental contracts. That is well worth having.

@Bonvie: good that you are going to ASLOCA yourself. Make sure you have every single piece of paper with you, including all the emails printed out.
If you do not have a specific, personal appointment, then you might be told to go within some opening hours, e.g. "16h to 19h". In that case, you will get there and have to wait in the queue, and there can be many people- Therefore, it is well worth trying to go there early, even before they actually open.
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At the Mieterverband (and therefore I would hope also at ASLOCA), members can buy such a personal liability insurance very cheaply. This is because it is not for all sorts of liabilities, but only for those related to rental contracts. That is well worth having.
I don't think asloca offers the insurance here. There are several services not available in Suisse Romande which are available in Suisse Alémanique. ( attending apartment handover for example)

The insurance is pretty cheap in any case and well worth having.
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Old 16.09.2016, 13:01
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I don't think asloca offers the insurance here. There are several services not available in Suisse Romande which are available in Suisse Alémanique. ( attending apartment handover for example)

The insurance is pretty cheap in any case and well worth having.
In ZH the insurance costs CHF 12 IIRC
But - afaik it only covers liability for rental issues, rather than liability for damages to any third party INCLUDING your landlord. So, either you get liability insurance through the MV/Asloca and only have coverage for your flat, or you get insurance through another company (Mobiliar etc.) and are covered for more/all liability issues. If you already have liability insurance with one of those companies, liability issues relating to your leased flat/house are often covered (depending on your individual policy/insurance conditions), so you might have double coverage for rental issues if you also took out liability insurance with MV/Asloca. I'm not affiliated with Asloca/MV/any insurance company btw.

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Before you move in, you need to buy an insurance policy, (Assurance à la responsabilité civile) covering your liability for damage to third party property and personal injury. About CHF 100 per year.
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It is not mandated by law, the regie or the tenant (OP's prospective landlord) can make it a condition of the lease though. And it is very useful - it can get you out of bad spots if handled correctly (informing insurance immediately in case of damage is extremely important, for example).

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Re: Sublet Contract - urgent

Perhaps you could pay 3 month intervals in advance, four times a year?
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Re: Sublet Contract - urgent

I'm in Geneva and I can assure you no one would pay one years rent in advance. Three months is the absolute maximum and even that is excessive, normally you pay one month on the last day of the month for the following month.

If you are wondering why you were "lucky" to get this, you were not, everyone else would have refused.

It also doesn't make sense that if you are subletting (have a contract with the existing tenant), that you would pay the rent to the Regie/owner.

As others have said take this as a red flag, I would assume there is something wrong with the apartment for the current tenant to request this. For example unreasonable neighbours who will make daily life difficult, excessive noise, infestations etc.

Once you have paid the rent you will have very little negotiating power to get anything fixed, and what happens if you decide for whatever reason you want to move.
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Re: Sublet Contract - urgent

If your renter wants "peace of mind" he could pay the full amount for one year to the regie... if you don't even know what he pays, let it go. He might make an unreasonable profit out of you.
I've seen that happening many times in our house. We have a cheap rent and great location and some people moved out and subletted those appts for years for a higher price until the régie found out.

The whole story screams SCAM.
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I have seen the flat, and the tenant has visited our office to discuss the procedure. I have not seen the original contract he has with the owner of the apartment, but i was told they are not oblidged to show this.
Seeing tenant's contract may be worth something or nothing at all. After all he could have cancelled the contract already, it could run out by next month or whatever. I wouldn't worry too much about that in a standard context, but if you really plan to pay 12 months in advance (especially if you don't take any kind of precautions) I'd definitely want confirmation by the regie.

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Good alternative to using a bank as middleman.
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