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Re: Urgent rental question/advice

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Why would you? the agency are the one making the decision (unless its a private owned flat).

At least you will know if they are the one in charge of the flat, or if something is suspicious.

For example if it;s a sub-lease, you'll need to make sure it has all been made legally and that the agency/owner are aware.

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I guess it wasn't clear from my first post...

The flat is (supposedly) privately owned. It was this owner that placed the ad and that I've been talking to, his name on the contract and so on. I am planning to contact the agency because I guess they can confirm he is indeed the owner and so on.
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Re: Urgent rental question/advice

All ownership rights are registered in the land registry (Grundbuch). You should ask the government agency running it - Notariat/Grundbuchamt, to confirm who's the owner, not some random real estate agency. Asking in person or by phone is usually free, they only charge for written statements.
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I guess it wasn't clear from my first post...

The flat is (supposedly) privately owned. It was this owner that placed the ad and that I've been talking to, his name on the contract and so on. I am planning to contact the agency because I guess they can confirm he is indeed the owner and so on.
No it was clear, I just don' trust the information, in the event that it would be a scam.

Maybe if you wanted to verify the owner identity then the agency is not the best.
Edit: ha see Ivan's answer.

Nonetheless you can also play dumb with agency and say you visited a flat , you are interested, and you wanted to verify if they were managing it. (to check if its not a sublet).
I doubt they'll report to the alleged owner that you contacted them. Most unlikely.
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Old 22.10.2016, 16:54
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All ownership rights are registered in the land registry (Grundbuch). You should ask the government agency running it - Notariat/Grundbuchamt, to confirm who's the owner, not some random real estate agency. Asking in person or by phone is usually free, they only charge for written statements.
Indeed. What OP wants is called a "Grundbuchauszug" for the flat. Usually that costs 5-10CHF, is provided by the Grundbuchamt. If OP calls/announces by phone, goes there in person, I would think it's available immediately, though getting verbal confirmation by the office would do if that's available.

But since OP takes no financial risk by using swisscaution (personally I would switch after the first year) I would tend to think owner is legit.

In my (rather limited) experience it's quite unusual for the owner/regie to not sign first. By signing the contract OP is making a binding offer that's valid for a reasonable amount of time (say 2-3 weeks). You can limit that by adding "offer only valid if countersigned copy is received by October 27" or something similar; I would call the owner/regie to talk about such a limit before placing one on the contract.
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Indeed. What OP wants is called a "Grundbuchauszug" for the flat. Usually that costs 5-10CHF
More like 50-100 CHF, but you do get a solidly looking piece of paper for that price, with government official's signature and watermarks. A verbal confirmation over phone/in person on the other hand is free of charge and should be enough for his case.
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Indeed. What OP wants is called a "Grundbuchauszug" for the flat. Usually that costs 5-10CHF, is provided by the Grundbuchamt. If OP calls/announces by phone, goes there in person, I would think it's available immediately, though getting verbal confirmation by the office would do if that's available.

But since OP takes no financial risk by using swisscaution (personally I would switch after the first year) I would tend to think owner is legit.

In my (rather limited) experience it's quite unusual for the owner/regie to not sign first. By signing the contract OP is making a binding offer that's valid for a reasonable amount of time (say 2-3 weeks). You can limit that by adding "offer only valid if countersigned copy is received by October 27" or something similar; I would call the owner/regie to talk about such a limit before placing one on the contract.
In my experience in most cases the tenant signs first, two originals, sends them both back and then the owner/agent signs both and one is sent back to the tenant.
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Re: Urgent rental question/advice

In my experience I've always seen the landlord/agent sign first, and then send this signed contract to the new tenant, who signs and returns the contract to the landlord/agent.

Perhaps this difference between your experience, Mrs. Doolittle, and mine, is another one of those things that is different from canton to canton.
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Indeed. What OP wants is called a "Grundbuchauszug" for the flat. Usually that costs 5-10CHF, is provided by the Grundbuchamt. If OP calls/announces by phone, goes there in person, I would think it's available immediately, though getting verbal confirmation by the office would do if that's available.

But since OP takes no financial risk by using swisscaution (personally I would switch after the first year) I would tend to think owner is legit.

In my (rather limited) experience it's quite unusual for the owner/regie to not sign first. By signing the contract OP is making a binding offer that's valid for a reasonable amount of time (say 2-3 weeks). You can limit that by adding "offer only valid if countersigned copy is received by October 27" or something similar; I would call the owner/regie to talk about such a limit before placing one on the contract.
Requesting a Grundbuchauszug is not so simple. The cost is well above 5-10 chf. Closer to 30 chf at least in our experience. You need to have a justification for wanting this or a power of attorney as there is information on it which is confidential. However, if you just want to know the name of the owner this is available as long as you have a reason for asking.

Properties are sometimes rented out by both owners and agencies without an exclusive agreement. It can indeed be confusing.
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Requesting a Grundbuchauszug is not so simple. The cost is well above 5-10 chf. Closer to 30 chf at least in our experience.
A (full) Grundbuchauszug can cost triple figures, subject to complexity, but this is about just the most basic info so should come at little cost. If OP is lucky and talks to a helpful person s/he may even get the confirmation by phone at no cost at all.
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