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Furnace on a timer, no heat 14 hours a day

To start, we are ok with cooler temps at night, and putting on a sweater and nice wool socks during the day, HOWEVER:

The furnace in our building (hot water radiators with individual adjusters) is on an electric timer and is completely shut off at night from 1 AM to 5:30 AM, and from 8:30 AM to 6 PM during the day.

The night is not bad, but during the day it starts to get cold in the afternoon. We're going to start recording temps below 21, but I hate to think how this is going to go when the real winter starts.

Is this an unusual situation, and is it legal?
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What did your landlord say?
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Re: Furnace on a timer, no heat 14 hours a day

Daytime sounds odd. When we rented our house it was from around 5.30am until 11am and then 2pm until 11pm iirc. The lunchtime shutdown was the assumption that people would be cooking so save electricity by turning the central heating off for that period I guess. No idea the reasoning behind the nighttime shutdown, but it never bothered us as house kept warm enough during those hours.

Have you asked the caretaker for any reason for the settings?
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Re: Furnace on a timer, no heat 14 hours a day

Here is an article in German from the Tenants' Organisation (Mieterverband):
https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv/poli...rme-stube.html
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To start, we are ok with cooler temps at night, and putting on a sweater and nice wool socks during the day, HOWEVER:

The furnace in our building (hot water radiators with individual adjusters) is on an electric timer and is completely shut off at night from 1 AM to 5:30 AM, and from 8:30 AM to 6 PM during the day.

The night is not bad, but during the day it starts to get cold in the afternoon. We're going to start recording temps below 21, but I hate to think how this is going to go when the real winter starts.

Is this an unusual situation, and is it legal?
How do you know that ist completely shut off at These times?
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Here is an article in German from the Tenants' Organisation (Mieterverband):
https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv/poli...rme-stube.html
That helps, especially what the #2 #3 and #4 settings mean. (we had previous figured out that we like the "3.25", which is apparently 21).

Set # 3 temperature correctly

Set 20 C in the room

23 C in bathrooms (= Pos. 4 at the thermostatic valve)
20 C in living / dining area (= Pos. 3)
17 C in bedrooms, hall (= Pos. 2)
in little-used rooms (= pos. *)


We have not approached the land lord yet. We are new tenants (and new to Switzerland) so we're still learning the normal practices. Perhaps they normally adjust it each month. We're still learning.
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How do you know that ist completely shut off at These times?
There is an electric timer (like for a light) on the plug for the furnace into the wall in the boiler room.
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Re: Furnace on a timer, no heat 14 hours a day

It's one of the many constraints of renting.

It's a type of "take it or leave" deal.

At best, you can always buy an electronic heater for the rare occasions when you really need the extra heat.
Yes we all know it's very not efficient and consume a lot of electricity, therefore it will transform into even higher cost.

That's how it is, especially with older properties and there are plenty in Switzerland.

PS: We're not talking about situation where heating is really broken or unavailable or excessively law-
The law is Art 256 of Code des Obligations.

In facts, it seems to be that the property must be at least between 20-21 between 07am until 11PM in all rooms, ambiant average.

And it can't be lower than 15 even during nights.

Even if you'd have to enforce the above it will be a painful process, most likely creating more issues. Hence the electric heater.
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We have not approached the land lord yet. We are new tenants (and new to Switzerland) so we're still learning the normal practices. Perhaps they normally adjust it each month. We're still learning.
Switzerland isn't that far removed from the rest of the world; problem with building management? Call landlord.

It's possible if your apartment was empty for a while before you moved in that they adjusted the heating to the minimum and haven't remembered to adjust it back up again.
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There is an electric timer (like for a light) on the plug for the furnace into the wall in the boiler room.
Just adjust that timer then. Probably nobody will notice :P
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There is an electric timer (like for a light) on the plug for the furnace into the wall in the boiler room.
Something like this I've yet to hear of. Can you maybe post a photo? Maybe ask at the Mieterverband if this is allowed?
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Re: Furnace on a timer, no heat 14 hours a day

How did you get access to the boiler room?

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The furnace in our building (hot water radiators with individual adjusters) is on an electric timer and is completely shut off at night from 1 AM to 5:30 AM, and from 8:30 AM to 6 PM during the day.
Does that mean no hot water (shower etc) as well once the boiler has been emptied?
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Does that mean no hot water (shower etc) as well once the boiler has been emptied?
I think in most cases the radiator water is on a closed circuit and completely separate to hot water for the shower/bath etc. The boiler could be heating the water supply sufficiently but not on long enough to provide for the radiators.
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Re: Furnace on a timer, no heat 14 hours a day

Update: The times on the timer changed on Nov 1st to include more "on time", but it still gets cold during the day when it off for a few hours in a row and the radiators are stone cold. If you happen to open the windows for a few minutes to air out at the wrong time, (really tight building...) it is impossible to get the temp back up.

This week there is work being done on the furnace that requires access to each of the apartments, perhaps flushing the system or replacing valves.

I don't see how the landlord can meet the 20 C minimum during the day if the whole system is turned off. They make thermostats for a reason...
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This week there is work being done on the furnace that requires access to each of the apartments, perhaps flushing the system or replacing valves.
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This is the time to be at home, if at all possible, and with someone who will interpret, if you need that. This is your chance to the technicians doing this work how you've measured the temperature, when it gets cold, etc.

Those doing this work (and maybe the caretaker, too, who might be there for some of the time, too) will be hearing all sorts of feedback from the people in at least some of the other apartments, too.
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If you happen to open the windows for a few minutes to air out at the wrong time, (really tight building...) it is impossible to get the temp back up.
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You might want to plough your way through this bumper thread about airing one's flat several times a day, thoroughly, in order to prevent condensation and the development of mould.
Airing flats - are the Swiss crazy?

Do your windows fog up, or collect little droplets of water around the edge of the panes? If so, you are not airing the flat enough. This can cause serious damage to the building, and to your health. Therefore if you can explain to your technician/caretaker/landlord that you do want to air your flat correctly, but it is simply too cold, that may set them into action.

Also: you should not be using any window on a "tilt" function ("Kippfenster"), i.e. closed at the bottom, but open a few centimetres at the top. Some people think that this is a compromise and choose it rather than airing the flat properly (= open all the windows, create a draft, but for 2 minutes only, then shut everything again). However, having the windows tilted open for longer times gradually cools the flat down.
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Re: Furnace on a timer, no heat 14 hours a day

Thanks for the pointers on ventilation. We're trying to "do it right" and avoid mold.

It looks like they are replacing the entire boiler, based on all the parts they unloaded today including a shiny new 1.5m x .75m x .75m sized unit.
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