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Living in Oberägeri Working in Zurich

I will be moving to Switzerland in December and i have been searching in homegate.ch for some places to live in the Canton of Zug, i have found Oberägeri/Unterägeri, which have a more affordable rental price than Zug and seens to be a lovely place.
What's your opinion on living in Oberägeri and working in Zurich ?
Also i have a wife and 1 year old baby, is it a good place to the children in terms of school and everything ?

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Re: Living in Oberägeri Working in Zurich

Oberägeri is lovely, but that's one hell of a commute! You'll be spending way more on transport than the saving in rent.
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Re: Living in Oberägeri Working in Zurich

Have you received a confirmation in the meantime that you are allowed to live in another canton than the one that issued your permit (Zurich), as was discussed in your previous thread?

Oberägeri is at least an hour to Zurich and that is if you essentially work right near the main train station (i.e. don't have to take a tram, bus or whatever else to get to your workplace). Otherwise add another 15-30mins to that commute, each way of course. If that is what you want - go for it. Permit permitting, see above. I wouldn't, imo it's not really feasible for a daily commute, even if it's kind of close in pure distance. By car is probably not an option, will take at least as long, likely longer - and unless you work towards the Wollishofen/Enge part of Zurich, you'll need to cross the city, which I would NEVER recommend to anyone.

I'd look closer to Wädenswil/Horgen or even Thalwil, but personally I'd rather pay 200 more in rent than face 2.5+ hours of daily commute. Of course that's just me.
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Re: Living in Oberägeri Working in Zurich

I don't think the commute is that long.
If you're driving, without traffic Gmap says its a 37min drive.
I currently live in Zug and I've never spent more than 45-55min to get to center Zurich, although I do not always travel during peak hours. Public transport is gonna take you forever.
Obviously, it's gonna be a commute, but you'll pay much lower tax too.
Commuting costs are likely to overweight any gains on rent, so I wouldn't focus on it.
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Re: Living in Oberägeri Working in Zurich

Oberägeri has higher altitutude than Zug

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I will be moving to Switzerland in December and i have been searching in homegate.ch for some places to live in the Canton of Zug, i have found Oberägeri/Unterägeri, which have a more affordable rental price than Zug and seens to be a lovely place.
What's your opinion on living in Oberägeri and working in Zurich ?
Also i have a wife and 1 year old baby, is it a good place to the children in terms of school and everything ?

Thanks in advance for your attention
Marcelo, I think your wife will be a bit isolated in Oberägeri. If I were you, since you are just moving, I would first start living in Zug or Baar. You will get acquainted with the area and can calmly check whether or not living in a small village fit your/your wife lifestyle.
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Have you received a confirmation in the meantime that you are allowed to live in another canton than the one that issued your permit (Zurich), as was discussed in your previous thread?

Oberägeri is at least an hour to Zurich and that is if you essentially work right near the main train station (i.e. don't have to take a tram, bus or whatever else to get to your workplace). Otherwise add another 15-30mins to that commute, each way of course. If that is what you want - go for it. Permit permitting, see above. I wouldn't, imo it's not really feasible for a daily commute, even if it's kind of close in pure distance. By car is probably not an option, will take at least as long, likely longer - and unless you work towards the Wollishofen/Enge part of Zurich, you'll need to cross the city, which I would NEVER recommend to anyone.

I'd look closer to Wädenswil/Horgen or even Thalwil, but personally I'd rather pay 200 more in rent than face 2.5+ hours of daily commute. Of course that's just me.
But both Horgen and Thalwil are both not canton Zug, so no low taxes.
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I don't think the commute is that long.
If you're driving, without traffic Gmap says its a 37min drive.
I currently live in Zug and I've never spent more than 45-55min to get to center Zurich, although I do not always travel during peak hours.
Then you should drive there during peak hours

Plus as said, unless he works on the West side of Zurich, this commute will be a b*. Driving from Oberägeri to e.g. the Oerlikon area in morning traffic and, worse yet, out in the evening - ugh...

But of course as said, to each their own. Everyone has different priorities.
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Re: Living in Oberägeri Working in Zurich

Ola Marcelo!
My husband has always driven the extra distance to allow us, as a family, to live in nature, with a house and garden. However, it depends a lot upon you and your wife's expectations. For us, it was worth it. But, if your wife is accustomed to access to the city, you may want to think about this decision.

Also, if your wife is not German speaking, you may want to place her and the baby in an area with ex-pats. Plus, she will probably be happy to have you arrive home, at a reasonable time, in the evening. It's quite dark, quiet and a little sad during winter months.

Muito sorte!

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But both Horgen and Thalwil are both not canton Zug, so no low taxes.
Well you can't have it all As said, matter of priorities. Some want to save a couple of bucks, but spend 3 hours commuting, others rather have some additional quality time to do whatever else they like

However as said, since he's Brazilian, he needs to check the conditions of his permit anyway

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Marcelo, I think your wife will be a bit isolated in Oberägeri.
Agree on this.
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Oberägeri is lovely, but that's one hell of a commute! You'll be spending way more on transport than the saving in rent.
Will i spend much more on transportation in this case if i compare to commute from Zug to Zurich ?
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Will i spend much more on transportation in this case if i compare to commute from Zug to Zurich ?
Hardly. Will cost about the same. That is if it's public transportation, which is cheap anyway (if used regularly with an Abonnement). Well actually, even by car won't make much of a difference, cost-wise.
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Have you received a confirmation in the meantime that you are allowed to live in another canton than the one that issued your permit (Zurich), as was discussed in your previous thread?
The person who is taking care of my transfer in Zurich, said that it is possible but i want to arrive and make sure before confirming on the other topic.

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I'd look closer to Wädenswil/Horgen or even Thalwil, but personally I'd rather pay 200 more in rent than face 2.5+ hours of daily commute. Of course that's just me.
I was looking at Zug because of the cheaper withholding tax, but i agree with you i would exchange a higher cost of living for a better commute situation.
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Obviously, it's gonna be a commute, but you'll pay much lower tax too.
Commuting costs are likely to overweight any gains on rent, so I wouldn't focus on it.
I was told that if you buy yearly tickets you get a much lower cost on transportation, isnt it true ? Do you know any sites that i can simulate the commute costs by public transportation ?
I will have a car but i will leave it to my wife for her daily transportation...
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Marcelo, I think your wife will be a bit isolated in Oberägeri. If I were you, since you are just moving, I would first start living in Zug or Baar. You will get acquainted with the area and can calmly check whether or not living in a small village fit your/your wife lifestyle.
Yeah i agree, specially because we are coming from São Paulo which is the biggest city in Brazil which has a life style very similar to NY for example, it will be too much of a drastic change.
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Then you should drive there during peak hours

Plus as said, unless he works on the West side of Zurich, this commute will be a b*. Driving from Oberägeri to e.g. the Oerlikon area in morning traffic and, worse yet, out in the evening - ugh...

But of course as said, to each their own. Everyone has different priorities.
I will be working on Uetlibergstr, not sure if its better or worst
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Re: Living in Oberägeri Working in Zurich

Well i think i will abandon the idea in the beginning and focus on Zug/Baar area ...
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The person who is taking care of my transfer in Zurich, said that it is possible but i want to arrive and make sure before confirming on the other topic.
Why don't you finally call the authorities and actually have it confirmed by those rather than the transfer person, as was suggested months ago? There's no point in you looking at apartments in a certain area if you're not 100% sure you will be able to move there right away and without any problems.

My colleague, non-EU, for example, was NOT allowed to move cantons. His permit is for Basel-Stadt, he cannot even move to Baselland. Just saying that yes, this can happen.

Uetlibergstrasse is pretty bad on public transportation, from your home location anyway. It will take you almost 90mins from Oberägeri to your workplace. Which is why I'm saying - it's not always location and theoretical distance, but number of connections of various modes of transportation along with - in the case of Zurich - where you work exactly in the city. Uetlibergstrasse is a loooong street too, so whether you work at Uetlibergstrasse 1 or 350 may make a difference of easily 10-15mins by tram - which isn't much, but if you add it to the 80+ minutes to get even there, well... By car it would be so-so, but really quite far from ideal.

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I was told that if you buy yearly tickets you get a much lower cost on transportation, isnt it true ?
http://www.sbb.ch/abos-billette/abonnemente/ga.html

It pretty much pays off for everyone who commutes daily and between cantons.
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Why don't you finally call the authorities and actually have it confirmed by those rather than the transfer person, as was suggested months ago? There's no point in you looking at apartments in a certain area if you're not 100% sure you will be able to move there right away and without any problems.

My colleague, non-EU, for example, was NOT allowed to move cantons. His permit is for Basel-Stadt, he cannot even move to Baselland. Just saying that yes, this can happen.

Uetlibergstrasse is pretty bad on public transportation, from your home location anyway. It will take you almost 90mins from Oberägeri to your workplace. Which is why I'm saying - it's not always location and theoretical distance, but number of connections of various modes of transportation along with - in the case of Zurich - where you work exactly in the city. Uetlibergstrasse is a loooong street too, so whether you work at Uetlibergstrasse 1 or 350 may make a difference of easily 10-15mins by tram - which isn't much, but if you add it to the 80+ minutes to get even there, well... By car it would be so-so, but really quite far from ideal.



http://www.sbb.ch/abos-billette/abonnemente/ga.html

It pretty much pays off for everyone who commutes daily and between cantons.
It is Uetlibergstrasse, 231

To be honest i am not that worried if i can or cannot live in Zug because the first 3 months the company provides me with an apartment so i will have time to adjust if this is not possible and then i look for a definitive place somewhere in Zurich.
I am assuming that this is possible because i know 2 other Brazilians (Non-Eur passports) that work on the same company, which leave in different cantons and commute to Zurich.
What one of then told me is if you plan to apply for a permanent residency or apply for citizenship you must be leaving at least 10 years on the same Canton and if you decide to move the year count resets ... So it is bad business to move Canton on this situation.
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It is Uetlibergstrasse, 231

To be honest i am not that worried if i can or cannot live in Zug because the first 3 months the company provides me with an apartment so i will have time to adjust if this is not possible and then i look for a definitive place somewhere in Zurich.
I am assuming that this is possible because i know 2 other Brazilians (Non-Eur passports) that work on the same company, which leave in different cantons and commute to Zurich.
What one of then told me is if you plan to apply for a permanent residency or apply for citizenship you must be leaving at least 10 years on the same Canton and if you decide to move the year count resets ... So it is bad business to move Canton on this situation.
We already discussed this the last time, it may or may not be possible and what others were able or not able to do doesn't matter. As said above, I know non-EUs who were NOT allowed to switch cantons, for whatever reason that may be. It's really simple to inquire with the official authorities. But then again, I like to be on the safe side.

That being said, you have the time, so figure it out when you're here.

Uetlibergstrasse 231 is another 10mins on your commute. A final no from my end on Oberägeri...
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