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bobo_97 01.11.2016 08:05

Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
I am getting conflicting information so I thought to check with you guys...

The toilet seat in my bathroom and needed a replacement. It was 230CHF (daamn!). We are renting so I thought this would be in the responsibility of the landlord. He thinks otherwise.

Whose responsibility is it you think?

Belgianmum 01.11.2016 08:10

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
It depends why it needed replacing really.

If you broke it then it's your responsibility, if it broke because it was old and worn out then it would be his.

230 chf for a loo seat :eek: Is it gold plated?

roegner 01.11.2016 08:11

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
As Belgianmum said, if you broke it you probably will have to pay.

I am amazed at that price! Wow, never knew you can spend so much money on a thing like that!

John_H 01.11.2016 08:20

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You'll probably find in the contract that you are responsible for "minor repairs". I would guess 230 would be classed as minor.

Was it a top end throne fitted by the CEO of the toilet company?

MsWorWoo 01.11.2016 08:31

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Why didn't you buy and fit your own one, they are only around 50 chuffs in coop bau and hobby. I accidentally left my one in my old house when I moved rather than swapping it over so now it doesn't soft close anymore. :(

PaddyG 01.11.2016 08:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MsWorWoo (Post 2683139)
Why didn't you buy and fit your own one, they are only around 50 chuffs in coop bau and hobby. I accidentally left my one in my old house when I moved rather than swapping it over so now it doesn't soft close anymore. :(

Exactly. They are a doddle to fit. What was the breakdown in charges, 30.- for the seat and 200.- for the labour? You've been done, mate.

Chuff 01.11.2016 08:38

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobo_97 (Post 2683125)
I am getting conflicting information so I thought to check with you guys...

The toilet seat in my bathroom and needed a replacement. It was 230CHF (daamn!). We are renting so I thought this would be in the responsibility of the landlord. He thinks otherwise.

Whose responsibility is it you think?

And you couldn't do that yourself? It's 40-50chf from Migros Bau & Hobby.

If you broke it, you pay.

bobo_97 01.11.2016 08:41

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MsWorWoo (Post 2683139)
Why didn't you buy and fit your own one, they are only around 50 chuffs in coop bau and hobby. I accidentally left my one in my old house when I moved rather than swapping it over so now it doesn't soft close anymore. :(


Now the question was about the process between me and landlord rather than the price of the toilet seat.

We replaced what was given to us when we moved in and this is why I thought it was not a "minor" repair like someone wrote above.

i-b-deborah 01.11.2016 08:41

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Don't forget to take the new one when you go.

JagWaugh 01.11.2016 08:59

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
230CHF seems a bit steep. Is it see through, with seahorses shells, or LEDs cast into it? A friend of mine wants one for the cottage with poison ivy cast into the rim. Not that many would get the joke, but some jokes are all the better for not being easily understood.

How did it break? If it was just plain worn out with age you might try writing the landlord and suggesting that as it needed replacing anyway that you could split the cost.

aSwissInTheUS 01.11.2016 09:42

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Normally you have the cheapest onse's on a rental loo. Less than CHF 30 or so. You remove the original, install your own with all gimmicks (auto lift, scent channel, LED, massage function), once you move out you install the orginal.

Apart from the loo seat question: Anything broken by tenant is on tenant. Normal wear and tear is on the landlord. Except, for minor repairs. Those are repairs which cost less than a specific amount and can be done w/o any special knowledge or expertise. What amount should be the limit for minor repairs is a constant battle between renteres and home owner associations. The former think it should be capped at CHF 150, the later CHF 250 or 1% of yearly rent. It also depends on the Canton which ammount is considered appropriate.

Renters associations view:
https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv/miet...satzteile.html

Some examples of minor repairs: Changing a light bulb, replacing a blown fuse, cleaning out the siphon under the sink when it can be easily screwed off, tightening screws on an electric socket, greasing door hinges, replacing exhaust filters.

Back to the loo seat: CHF 230 could fall under the minor repair clause.

Samaire13 01.11.2016 09:49

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
230 for a toilet seat? They go for cheap at any store. Next time, buy your own, I am far from crafty, but even I can attach a new toilet seat :p

That being said, if you broke it due to negligence in some way or another, you need to pay. If it's "wear and tear", the landlord pays. This is true for pretty much every repair in the household, btw.

BigB.ZH 01.11.2016 12:22

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobo_97 (Post 2683146)
We replaced what was given to us when we moved in and this is why I thought it was not a "minor" repair like someone wrote above.

Well you did not like what was given to you and you got it changed. For sure in this case you pay for it, just like you pay if you want to change the color of the walls or any other personalization after rent.

hope that helps!

btw, does it come fitted with a secret safe? :msnsarcastic:

Corbets 01.11.2016 12:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 2683126)
230 chf for a loo seat :eek: Is it gold plated?

They could be the slow-closing model. We've got those, and they've worn out - but we were quoted 175 for replacements by the Hauswart.

Naturally, we just use them as normal seats now and let the lid down ourselves. Not worth that much money to me. ;)

Belgianmum 01.11.2016 12:38

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbets (Post 2683263)
They could be the slow-closing model. We've got those, and they've worn out - but we were quoted 175 for replacements by the Hauswart.

Naturally, we just use them as normal seats now and let the lid down ourselves. Not worth that much money to me. ;)

We replaced a slow closing one recently with another slow closing one bought in Jumbo and it cost 65 chf. Hubby fitted it himself though so there were no fitting costs.

JagWaugh 01.11.2016 12:40

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
Is the toilet by any chance a Closomat, or one of those ones with automatic seat cleaning?

Sbrinz 01.11.2016 16:07

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
There is an "official" price list, showing life expectancy and cost of replacing items,

https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv/miet...ertabelle.html

unfortunately, it only covers the complete expensive Closomat WC pedestal, 20 years and Fr 5'000

https://intern.mieterverband.ch/ldt/objekte.php?Gid=8

You don't have to accept the landlord's offer. Do it yourself, only 2 large nuts and Fr 40 to Fr 80 for the seat.

keksli 01.11.2016 18:49

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
It's not really clear whether you replaced the toilet seat yourself, or did the landlord hire someone to do it, and then billed you?

Basically, 'minor repairs' are what you - the renter - can fix yourself (eg. changing lightbulbs, replacing a leaky shower hose...).
If you need to buy new parts to fix whatever is broken, usually the limit is at 150CHF, which you have to pay.

Repairs that have to be done by a professional (eg. dishwasher broken) have to be paid by the owner/landlord, unless it broke due to gross negligence.
Additional info: That said, if something is broken and you need a professional, you cannot hire someone yourself (unless it is a super-ultra-urgent emergency, such as flooded bathroom in the middle of the night / on a Sunday). You need to contact the landlord and he/she will organize someone for you. Otherwise the landlord can end up claiming it would have been cheaper had they hired someone, and you will end up paying the difference or even the entire bill.

https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv/miet...satzteile.html
(In German, concerning minor repairs)

Guest 01.11.2016 19:11

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
How embarrassing; my arse is so large i busted the bog seat...

All this to save Chf 50.-- which is what an average bog seat costs

Guest 01.11.2016 19:26

Re: Who is responsible? Me or the landlord
 
Depends on seat. This one from amazon uk costs even more:


Geberit AquaClean 4000 146130111 Toilet Seat White
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