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We're currently considering our criteria ('must haves' and 'like to haves') for our impending move to Vaud - we're looking anywhere between Nyon and Lausanne.

We're used to fairly large living spaces from our times in Shanghai and US, where we had 200sqm+. We know we can forget that type of space, and we do have realistic expectations, but I don't know what the lower limit should be...110sqm, 130sqm? We've never lived in anything so small before.

Does anyone know how they measure the apartments that are advertised? Does it include the entire floor space including stair wells, hallways etc?

We are a family of 4 (two growing kids that will need their own rooms), and I know its a personal decision and depends on how much furniture you have etc. etc. but I'd be interested in what size of apartment other families have managed with, and whether they find it adequate or too small?
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Re: Apartment size

Apartments are usually measured in sq m according to the living space. No communal areas or stairways.

Number of rooms relates to the total number of rooms of the apartment, not just the number of bedrooms.

Don't know what it's like the US or Shanghai but, for example in the UK, you buy a house or apartment based on the number of bedrooms.
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Re: Apartment size

Our flat in Nyon is 110 SQM and has 3 bedrooms + 2 bathrooms + outdoor access. We pay 3.150 chf / month. In our compound there are larger flats as well (4 or 5 bedrooms + 3 bathrooms) but prices are considerably higher of course.

We came from a 4 bedroom 200 SQM house in Antwerp so yes it was downsizing but it never really bothered us that much. That being said I wouldn't consider anything smaller, as we have 2 young children as well.

So long story short, it all depends on what money you are willing to spend on monthly rent but the above should give you an idea of what to expect in Nyon.
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We're used to fairly large living spaces from our times in Shanghai and US, where we had 200sqm+.


If you had that amount of space in Shanghai, you will not be surprised by the amount you have to pay for housing here
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Re: Apartment size

Around 100 - 110 m2 should be ok... it should typically have 4.5 rooms and just about spacious enough.
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Around 100 - 110 m2 should be ok... it should typically have 4.5 rooms and just about spacious enough.
Seconded. You're looking for min. 4.5 rooms, so search that on Comparis.ch and see what comes up. You might be pleasantly surprised.
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Number of rooms relates to the total number of rooms of the apartment, not just the number of bedrooms.
Mhmm, interesting. I have 1x living room, 1x bedroom ,1x kinderzimmer (dining room), 1x kitchen and 1x bathroom/toilet, all separate rooms, and my place is only labelled a 3 roomer?
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Re: Apartment size

Same here, 2 bedrooms, one living room and adjacent kitchen is 3,5 rooms
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Our flat in Nyon is 110 SQM and has 3 bedrooms + 2 bathrooms + outdoor access. We pay 3.150 chf / month. In our compound there are larger flats as well (4 or 5 bedrooms + 3 bathrooms) but prices are considerably higher of course.

We came from a 4 bedroom 200 SQM house in Antwerp so yes it was downsizing but it never really bothered us that much. That being said I wouldn't consider anything smaller, as we have 2 young children as well.

So long story short, it all depends on what money you are willing to spend on monthly rent but the above should give you an idea of what to expect in Nyon.
That's very reassuring actually. I wasn't having much luck searching for 150sqm+ on my budget (little lower than yours). I think I need to prepare myself
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Re: Apartment size

Another thing to consider, is if you are prepared to have a slightly longer commute and live in the lovely countryside- but a bit further than the lake. If you are prepared to do that and go to any of the villages on the 'foot of the Jura' - you would be able to have much more space for your money.

Not for everyone- but a choice. Or a bit further and you can have double the space for less than half the money.
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Re: Apartment size

4 1/2 here: 100 m2, 1 1/2 living/dining room, 3 bedrooms. Kitchen, baths , hallways don't count towards the number of rooms BUT do count towards floor space (balconies not).

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Re: Apartment size

Its like this has never been mentioned before. The number of rooms is typically the number of rooms except of kitchens and bathrooms.

I was going to suggest that it was non-plumbed rooms - but I have 2 houses both of which have 1 bedroom with a sink in it - and they both count as rooms.

The .5 rooms bit come about when newer builds had proportionally larger living rooms (often doubling as lounge/diners) instead of the more traditional even sizing of rooms.

Finally modern apartments often go for the "loft" look meaning a single room for kitchen, dining and living. This still counts as 1.5 rooms.
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Mhmm, interesting. I have 1x living room, 1x bedroom ,1x kinderzimmer (dining room), 1x kitchen and 1x bathroom/toilet, all separate rooms, and my place is only labelled a 3 roomer?
total of living rooms not all rooms. So 2 bedrooms and lounge = 3 rooms.
2 bedrooms and lounge with a kitchen that has space for a good size table = 3.5 rooms.
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Seconded. You're looking for min. 4.5 rooms, so search that on Comparis.ch and see what comes up. You might be pleasantly surprised.
I've been looking ate Homegate, I find Comparis very slow to load (having to go via VPN here in China).

I have also been confused, as others pointed out. I've seen different ways of classifying the #rooms. Doesn't always mean that a 4.5 would be a 3 bed. Don't know why they don't just state #bedrooms
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Re: Apartment size

HOWEVER to make a note, that as most things here, there are wide difference between Cantons- this is particularly relevant to you as the area you are looking at could be in GE or in VD - and the kitchen is counted in one, and not the other!

What is included?

Older apartment buildings have communal washing machines and driers in the basement area and washing is organised according to a roster. Newer buildings generally have private facilities. There is usually extra storage space in the basement. Freestanding houses have more available space. Unfurnished accommodation includes light fittings in the bathroom and kitchen only, and built in wardrobes are rare. Curtain rails are usually built in and use the Swiss runners. Cold water is included in the rent. Other utilities are extras, such as hot water, heating, and electricity, and are usually payable above the monthly rent. Utilities usually amount to around 10% of the rent. Parking space will cost extra.
Description of housing

Room count varies depending on the canton, but in Geneva the number of rooms advertised includes the kitchen and not the bathroom. Apartments in the Canton of Geneva are classified as follows:



1 ‘pièce' = studio

2 ‘pièces' = 1 living room and 1 kitchen

2.5 ‘pièces' = 1 big living room and 1 kitchen

3 ‘pièces' = 1 living room, 1 bedroom and 1 kitchen

4 ‘pièces' = 1 living room, 2 bedrooms and 1 kitchen



In the Canton of Vaud and in neighbouring France the description does not include the kitchen; a 1 bedroom apartment is therefore referred to as a 2 "pieces" (or T2 in France) and a 2 bedroom apartment is referred to as a 3 "pieces" (or T3 in France).
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Another thing to consider, is if you are prepared to have a slightly longer commute and live in the lovely countryside- but a bit further than the lake. If you are prepared to do that and go to any of the villages on the 'foot of the Jura' - you would be able to have much more space for your money.

Not for everyone- but a choice. Or a bit further and you can have double the space for less than half the money.
I think these villages became pricier over the past few years. If you take into account the cost of an extra car + associated costs it's not necessarily that cheaper. Compared to living in a city, you do get more outdoor space though.
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Cold water is included in the rent.
Not here, here it's included in the NK.

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Re: Apartment size

Here in VD I have seen in a few cases the m2 of the balcony been added to the apartments space. Their is seldom a clear indication of m2 gross or net in the descriptions. Difficult to check out when in Shanghai I guess...
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Unfurnished accommodation includes light fittings in the bathroom and kitchen only, and built in wardrobes are rare. Curtain rails are usually built in and use the Swiss runners.
When you say unfurnished accommodation only includes light fittings in bathroom and kitchen, what do people tend to do? Buy ceiling lights and take them with each time you move? How bizarre! And curtains surely need to be custom made for different sized windows, so how does that work? What do people do with their curtains when they leave? Get them altered for their new place?

So I'm going to have to shell out of light fitting and curtains when I move in? OMG, I didn't count on that in my budget.
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So I'm going to have to shell out of light fitting and curtains when I move in? OMG, I didn't count on that in my budget.
There is Ikea in Aubonne and Vernier!
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