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Nelly123 06.12.2016 09:46

Our neighbour took down our Christmas lights
 
Yesterday I hung out some christmas lights onto our patio/balcony which faces Niederdorfstrasse. This morning I got up and our neighbour, I assume, had taken them down and thrown them on the patio. I assume its the neighbour as they had left a big sign in their window saying "DIES IST KEIN FERNSEHGERÄT, NO TV HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!" I don't really understand what he means by that, but the sign wasn't there yesterday so I assume its for us and its facing our patio.

Are you not allowed to hang Christmas lights? are there some regulations regarding this? I tried to find something on google but couldn't find any information.

I obviously don't want to cause any drama with the neighbours, but I found this quite rude...

Sbrinz 06.12.2016 10:02

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If you hung them outside the window glass they just might infringe planning regulations, maybe talk to your local Bau Amt. But if they are hung up inside your window I think you are safe from Scrooge.

Treverus 06.12.2016 10:03

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Why not simply ask him to explain his obscure note? And then explain him that if he touches your property once again you would lose your patience?

st2lemans 06.12.2016 10:03

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Did you turn them off when it got dark? :confused:

The implication is that the lights bother them. A lot.

Tom

Treverus 06.12.2016 10:06

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Originally Posted by Sbrinz (Post 2703094)
If you hung them outside the window glass they just might infringe planning regulations, maybe talk to your local Bau Amt. But if they are hung up inside your window I think you are safe from Scrooge.

I very much doubt that temporary Christmas lights infringe any planning regulations... they fall in the same category as a patio light you'd put up on in summer... no legal base to stop you (well, maybe if we talk us style lighting requiring a small nuclear power plant.)

st2lemans 06.12.2016 10:08

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2703098)
they fall in the same category as a patio light you'd put up on in summer... no legal base to stop you

Unless it shines into their window. ;)

Tom

dodgyken 06.12.2016 10:19

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2703096)
The implication is that the lights bother them. A lot.

200+ LEDs opposite someone's bedroom window might result in such a note.

Meanwhile our neighbours have hung a ruddy great "Christmas" star in their attic window - which has resulted in our dog barking at it - a lot. :)

We're waiting for them to say - "your dog is barking a lot"

neddy 06.12.2016 10:19

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:eek: Shocking. Don't they have curtains or blinds? The flicking ones can be quite annoying if they are right outside. I have ours on a timer. Obviously they haven't read EF about trying to talk politely to your neighbours before going full on menopausal fruit fly. It is rude to touch your property. I'd go with the 10pm rule & put indoor ones up rather than outdoor ones.

Nelly123 06.12.2016 10:20

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I hung them outside, around the railing of our patio, they are soft 'warm' lights, nothing flashing etc and don't exactly 'shine'. I didn't turn them off when we went to bed, simply because I have never done so in any previous places I've lived in and I didn't think there was anything wrong with having outdoor lights on around christmas at night (in fact I think it looks lovely, the more lights around the better).

He has a small window facing the patio, it looks like it's his living room, not bedroom so I wouldn't think they would bother him when he is sleeping and there is a curtain there.

I haven't spoken to him/her yet as it only happened this morning and it's the building next to ours so I don't know who it is, what apartment they are in etc. I wanted to find out whether he has a right to do something like that before having a chat.

bigblue2 06.12.2016 10:21

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is this your neighbour?

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130224213255

Nelly123 06.12.2016 10:22

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Plus I've seen plenty of lights one balconies around here so didn't even think someone might get annoyed.

k_and_e 06.12.2016 10:23

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Originally Posted by bigblue2 (Post 2703110)

or is this the OP?

Anjela 06.12.2016 10:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nelly123 (Post 2703088)
Yesterday I hung out some christmas lights onto our patio/balcony which faces Niederdorfstrasse. This morning I got up and our neighbour, I assume, had taken them down and thrown them on the patio. I assume its the neighbour as they had left a big sign in their window saying "DIES IST KEIN FERNSEHGERÄT, NO TV HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!" I don't really understand what he means by that, but the sign wasn't there yesterday so I assume its for us and its facing our patio.

Are you not allowed to hang Christmas lights? are there some regulations regarding this? I tried to find something on google but couldn't find any information.

I obviously don't want to cause any drama with the neighbours, but I found this quite rude...

His sign reads " this is not a television, no TV here"; I suspect he means that he doesn't want to be looking at one of those tastelessly over-decorated houses seen in adverts all the time (not that I'm suggesting your lights were necessarily tasteless). You might think the lights are pretty and festive, your neighbours have the right to disagree..... although they really should have spoken to you about their objections, not just taken them down during the night!

Personally I think it's a bit early to be putting decorations like this up, and if they're the sort that flashes constantly then doubly so. My neighbour hangs ones like that on his front balcony and balustrade and has been asked by the people across the valley to turn them off during the night...... ask being the operative word here. I can't see them as he's next door rather than opposite but I certainly would have complained otherwise, it's another form of pollution really.
Edit; I see yours aren't flashing ones, so slightly better.... he's probably annoyed that they were on all night, so turn them off?

One indicator of what's allowed would be to check out what others in your building are using, if no-one else has similar decorations then there might be a reason?

Sandgrounder 06.12.2016 10:27

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2703100)
Unless it shines into their window. ;)

Tom

That was what I first thought. Twinkly lights blinking through your bedroom window or reflecting off the wall when you're trying to watch TV would be pretty annoying.

It would have been a bit more helpful if the writer of the note had been a bit less cryptic, though!

Nelly123 06.12.2016 10:27

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Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 2703114)
or is this the OP?

Haha I would totally do that if I could, I love Christmas lights! I can understand not everyone does but I really don't think mine were offensive in anyway.

Treverus 06.12.2016 10:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nelly123 (Post 2703109)
I haven't spoken to him/her yet as it only happened this morning and it's the building next to ours so I don't know who it is, what apartment they are in etc. I wanted to find out whether he has a right to do something like that before having a chat.

No, he does not. This means war. The next Christmas light has got to be at least a Flakscheinwerfer directly pointing at his window...

http://www.untergrundosnabrueck.de/u...8b41be7f91.jpg

Nelly123 06.12.2016 10:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 2703117)
His sign reads " this is not a television, no TV here"; I suspect he means that he doesn't want to be looking at one of those tastelessly over-decorated houses seen in adverts all the time (not that I'm suggesting your lights were necessarily tasteless). You might think the lights are pretty and festive, your neighbours have the right to disagree..... although they really should have spoken to you about their objections, not just taken them down during the night!

Personally I think it's a bit early to be putting decorations like this up, and if they're the sort that flashes constantly then doubly so. My neighbour hangs ones like that on his front balcony and balustrade and has been asked by the people across the valley to turn them off during the night...... ask being the operative word here. I can't see them as he's next door rather than opposite but I certainly would have complained otherwise, it's another form of pollution really.

One indicator of what's allowed would be to check out what others in your building are using, if no-one else has similar decorations then there might be a reason?

As mentioned above, they don't blink or flash, they are a soft warm light, and it's a single row of lights. I wouldn't even call them 'decorations'.

Surely a few weeks before Christmas isn't too early to be putting up lights?

There are only 3 apartments in our building and we are the only ones with an outdoor area. How ever, I have seen lots of lights around where we live up on balconies and on railings etc. (I think it makes the old town look lovely at night).

dodgyken 06.12.2016 10:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nelly123 (Post 2703125)
There are only 3 apartments in our building and we are the only ones with an outdoor area. How ever, I have seen lots of lights around where we live up on balconies and on railings etc. (I think it makes the old town look lovely at night).

That may well be - BUT if they shine directly into someone's window, and no matter how pretty they are, that person may get a little bit grumpy - especially if they are left on over night.
Put them back up and turn them off when you go to bed or 10pm(ish) - and see what happens.

You'll be pleased to know we have a string of lights (including dangly ones) along the front of our mansion, dangly ones over the west-wings dining hall main door - and internal window displays in the east-wings drawing room.

I only have a picture of the front garden with the trees decorated
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...439354ec9c.jpg

Dougal's Breakfast 06.12.2016 10:40

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I think the note and the lights are two separate issues.

The note is an objection to people looking into his windows.

The removal of the lights might have been by the same person, but there isn't any reason to believe that it was, on the evidence given.

aSwissInTheUS 06.12.2016 10:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nelly123 (Post 2703125)
Surely a few weeks before Christmas isn't too early to be putting up lights?

My personal opinion: Any Christmas decoration is o.k. starting from the first Sunday of Advent. Before that it is an absolute no-go and out of place.

PS: First Sunday of Advent was November 27th. ;)


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