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Nelly123 06.12.2016 08:46

Our neighbour took down our Christmas lights
 
Yesterday I hung out some christmas lights onto our patio/balcony which faces Niederdorfstrasse. This morning I got up and our neighbour, I assume, had taken them down and thrown them on the patio. I assume its the neighbour as they had left a big sign in their window saying "DIES IST KEIN FERNSEHGERÄT, NO TV HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!" I don't really understand what he means by that, but the sign wasn't there yesterday so I assume its for us and its facing our patio.

Are you not allowed to hang Christmas lights? are there some regulations regarding this? I tried to find something on google but couldn't find any information.

I obviously don't want to cause any drama with the neighbours, but I found this quite rude...

Sbrinz 06.12.2016 09:02

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If you hung them outside the window glass they just might infringe planning regulations, maybe talk to your local Bau Amt. But if they are hung up inside your window I think you are safe from Scrooge.

Treverus 06.12.2016 09:03

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Why not simply ask him to explain his obscure note? And then explain him that if he touches your property once again you would lose your patience?

st2lemans 06.12.2016 09:03

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Did you turn them off when it got dark? :confused:

The implication is that the lights bother them. A lot.

Tom

Treverus 06.12.2016 09:06

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Originally Posted by Sbrinz (Post 2703094)
If you hung them outside the window glass they just might infringe planning regulations, maybe talk to your local Bau Amt. But if they are hung up inside your window I think you are safe from Scrooge.

I very much doubt that temporary Christmas lights infringe any planning regulations... they fall in the same category as a patio light you'd put up on in summer... no legal base to stop you (well, maybe if we talk us style lighting requiring a small nuclear power plant.)

st2lemans 06.12.2016 09:08

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2703098)
they fall in the same category as a patio light you'd put up on in summer... no legal base to stop you

Unless it shines into their window. ;)

Tom

dodgyken 06.12.2016 09:19

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2703096)
The implication is that the lights bother them. A lot.

200+ LEDs opposite someone's bedroom window might result in such a note.

Meanwhile our neighbours have hung a ruddy great "Christmas" star in their attic window - which has resulted in our dog barking at it - a lot. :)

We're waiting for them to say - "your dog is barking a lot"

Guest 06.12.2016 09:19

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:eek: Shocking. Don't they have curtains or blinds? The flicking ones can be quite annoying if they are right outside. I have ours on a timer. Obviously they haven't read EF about trying to talk politely to your neighbours before going full on menopausal fruit fly. It is rude to touch your property. I'd go with the 10pm rule & put indoor ones up rather than outdoor ones.

Nelly123 06.12.2016 09:20

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I hung them outside, around the railing of our patio, they are soft 'warm' lights, nothing flashing etc and don't exactly 'shine'. I didn't turn them off when we went to bed, simply because I have never done so in any previous places I've lived in and I didn't think there was anything wrong with having outdoor lights on around christmas at night (in fact I think it looks lovely, the more lights around the better).

He has a small window facing the patio, it looks like it's his living room, not bedroom so I wouldn't think they would bother him when he is sleeping and there is a curtain there.

I haven't spoken to him/her yet as it only happened this morning and it's the building next to ours so I don't know who it is, what apartment they are in etc. I wanted to find out whether he has a right to do something like that before having a chat.

bigblue2 06.12.2016 09:21

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is this your neighbour?

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130224213255

Nelly123 06.12.2016 09:22

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Plus I've seen plenty of lights one balconies around here so didn't even think someone might get annoyed.

k_and_e 06.12.2016 09:23

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Originally Posted by bigblue2 (Post 2703110)

or is this the OP?

Anjela 06.12.2016 09:25

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Originally Posted by Nelly123 (Post 2703088)
Yesterday I hung out some christmas lights onto our patio/balcony which faces Niederdorfstrasse. This morning I got up and our neighbour, I assume, had taken them down and thrown them on the patio. I assume its the neighbour as they had left a big sign in their window saying "DIES IST KEIN FERNSEHGERÄT, NO TV HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!" I don't really understand what he means by that, but the sign wasn't there yesterday so I assume its for us and its facing our patio.

Are you not allowed to hang Christmas lights? are there some regulations regarding this? I tried to find something on google but couldn't find any information.

I obviously don't want to cause any drama with the neighbours, but I found this quite rude...

His sign reads " this is not a television, no TV here"; I suspect he means that he doesn't want to be looking at one of those tastelessly over-decorated houses seen in adverts all the time (not that I'm suggesting your lights were necessarily tasteless). You might think the lights are pretty and festive, your neighbours have the right to disagree..... although they really should have spoken to you about their objections, not just taken them down during the night!

Personally I think it's a bit early to be putting decorations like this up, and if they're the sort that flashes constantly then doubly so. My neighbour hangs ones like that on his front balcony and balustrade and has been asked by the people across the valley to turn them off during the night...... ask being the operative word here. I can't see them as he's next door rather than opposite but I certainly would have complained otherwise, it's another form of pollution really.
Edit; I see yours aren't flashing ones, so slightly better.... he's probably annoyed that they were on all night, so turn them off?

One indicator of what's allowed would be to check out what others in your building are using, if no-one else has similar decorations then there might be a reason?

Guest 06.12.2016 09:27

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2703100)
Unless it shines into their window. ;)

Tom

That was what I first thought. Twinkly lights blinking through your bedroom window or reflecting off the wall when you're trying to watch TV would be pretty annoying.

It would have been a bit more helpful if the writer of the note had been a bit less cryptic, though!

Nelly123 06.12.2016 09:27

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Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 2703114)
or is this the OP?

Haha I would totally do that if I could, I love Christmas lights! I can understand not everyone does but I really don't think mine were offensive in anyway.

Treverus 06.12.2016 09:31

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Originally Posted by Nelly123 (Post 2703109)
I haven't spoken to him/her yet as it only happened this morning and it's the building next to ours so I don't know who it is, what apartment they are in etc. I wanted to find out whether he has a right to do something like that before having a chat.

No, he does not. This means war. The next Christmas light has got to be at least a Flakscheinwerfer directly pointing at his window...

http://www.untergrundosnabrueck.de/u...8b41be7f91.jpg

Nelly123 06.12.2016 09:33

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Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 2703117)
His sign reads " this is not a television, no TV here"; I suspect he means that he doesn't want to be looking at one of those tastelessly over-decorated houses seen in adverts all the time (not that I'm suggesting your lights were necessarily tasteless). You might think the lights are pretty and festive, your neighbours have the right to disagree..... although they really should have spoken to you about their objections, not just taken them down during the night!

Personally I think it's a bit early to be putting decorations like this up, and if they're the sort that flashes constantly then doubly so. My neighbour hangs ones like that on his front balcony and balustrade and has been asked by the people across the valley to turn them off during the night...... ask being the operative word here. I can't see them as he's next door rather than opposite but I certainly would have complained otherwise, it's another form of pollution really.

One indicator of what's allowed would be to check out what others in your building are using, if no-one else has similar decorations then there might be a reason?

As mentioned above, they don't blink or flash, they are a soft warm light, and it's a single row of lights. I wouldn't even call them 'decorations'.

Surely a few weeks before Christmas isn't too early to be putting up lights?

There are only 3 apartments in our building and we are the only ones with an outdoor area. How ever, I have seen lots of lights around where we live up on balconies and on railings etc. (I think it makes the old town look lovely at night).

dodgyken 06.12.2016 09:36

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Originally Posted by Nelly123 (Post 2703125)
There are only 3 apartments in our building and we are the only ones with an outdoor area. How ever, I have seen lots of lights around where we live up on balconies and on railings etc. (I think it makes the old town look lovely at night).

That may well be - BUT if they shine directly into someone's window, and no matter how pretty they are, that person may get a little bit grumpy - especially if they are left on over night.
Put them back up and turn them off when you go to bed or 10pm(ish) - and see what happens.

You'll be pleased to know we have a string of lights (including dangly ones) along the front of our mansion, dangly ones over the west-wings dining hall main door - and internal window displays in the east-wings drawing room.

I only have a picture of the front garden with the trees decorated
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...439354ec9c.jpg

Guest 06.12.2016 09:40

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I think the note and the lights are two separate issues.

The note is an objection to people looking into his windows.

The removal of the lights might have been by the same person, but there isn't any reason to believe that it was, on the evidence given.

aSwissInTheUS 06.12.2016 09:42

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Originally Posted by Nelly123 (Post 2703125)
Surely a few weeks before Christmas isn't too early to be putting up lights?

My personal opinion: Any Christmas decoration is o.k. starting from the first Sunday of Advent. Before that it is an absolute no-go and out of place.

PS: First Sunday of Advent was November 27th. ;)

st2lemans 06.12.2016 09:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 2703117)
My neighbour hangs ones like that on his front balcony and balustrade and has been asked by the people across the valley to turn them off during the night...... ask being the operative word here.

Likewise.

Had someone from a couple hundred meters away to ask me to please turn off the one in the kitchen window at night. :eek:

I replaced it with something less annoying. ;)

Tom

Anjela 06.12.2016 09:44

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I think the note and the lights are two separate issues.

The note is an objection to people looking into his windows.

The removal of the lights might have been by the same person, but there isn't any reason to believe that it was, on the evidence given.
Good point. Perhaps the lights were just taken by by kids on their way home from the pub?

CorsebouTheReturn 06.12.2016 09:45

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2703124)
No, he does not. This means war.

Correct. If it's true that someone took it down (and not animal, wind, gravity...) that's beyond "friendly relationships" and it's war.

I'd certainly verify and if true, stop any "communication", "conciliation", "diplomacy", "understanding", "tolerance"...

Taking down something without even giving a chance to remediation calls for neighboring war. And if they are perfect I'd be careful about any possible mistakes because I'd pick on them.

7 years of peace and "efforts" and one-sided attacks lead to that.

I'd be understanding if someone spoke before allegedly acting that badly.
Not speaking? fine, lowering to their level.

And it works fine, I no longer question what I was doing wrong, what could be offending x/y/z, how to make things better, etc...

Neutrality has its limits. Funny, it seems to works, the current neighbor was doing random attacks (clothes disappearing, removing plants on my garden... all verified facts). One day she went too far threatening me, I "marked my territory" and now she is acting much nicer, in appearance and facts. It seems sometimes people learn the hard way only.

dodgyken 06.12.2016 09:45

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Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 2703137)
Good point. Perhaps the lights were just taken by by kids on their way home from the pub?

Who'd have thought that baby goats would join the Turkey Liberation Front? ;)

Guest 06.12.2016 09:46

Re: Our neighbour took down our Christmas lights
 
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Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 2703137)
Good point. Perhaps the lights were just taken by by kids on their way home from the pub?

Indeed, especially considering that the OP lives on Niederdorfstrasse, the Temple Bar of Zurich.

Nelly123 06.12.2016 09:50

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Very grumpy indeed! It's only a tiny window he's got with a curtain and if he has a problem with it he could have spoken to us rather than not even just unplug them but actually take them down.

First time for everything I guess.

Anjela 06.12.2016 09:54

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Originally Posted by Nelly123 (Post 2703142)
Very grumpy indeed! It's only a tiny window he's got with a curtain and if he has a problem with it he could have spoken to us rather than not even just unplug them but actually take them down.

First time for everything I guess.

First things first, find out if the passive-aggressive sign chap was actually the person who removed the lights?

Nelly123 06.12.2016 09:56

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Indeed, especially considering that the OP lives on Niederdorfstrasse, the Temple Bar of Zurich.
We are up on the 5th floor so it would take quite some climbing 'on their way home'. Same goes for people looking in thorough his window.

The note wasn't there yesterday, so it seems odd that our lights get taken down and the note appears if they are about different issues. His little window isn't facing the road but our patio so it seems quite clear its directed at us.

Even if the lights did annoy him, surely theres a nicer more civil way of going about things. I would rather not get into a war as we like making use of outside space in the summer and don't want to be dealing with him complaining at every turn.

NotAllThere 06.12.2016 09:58

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Originally Posted by CorsebouTheReturn (Post 2703138)
One day she went too far threatening me, I "marked my territory" ...

What did you do? Pee on her shoes?

Guest 06.12.2016 09:58

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Nextdoor here puts hers up on the 1st & has a reindeer & sledge in the garden. I could of course put mine up the day before & put up a polar bear or even bigger reindeers. I shall resist the temptation.
Our village used to have a light advent calendar - people volunteered to put up decorations in their window on each date up till christmas & there was also an apéro calendar when people hosted outdoor drinkies for anyone to go to which was very pleasant if rather cold. But it's all died out now due to lack of participation. The outdoor decorations put up got vandalised every year so no one does that anymore either.

Blueangel 06.12.2016 09:58

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I think that you need to ask your neighbour or send them a polite little note asking exactly what the problem is. Far better to communicate on this matter and find a compromise, than let things fester. For all you know (and this is an extreme example) they may have had a bereavement recently, or last Christmas, and they're struggling emotionally at the moment. People are more important than a string of lights.

The Swiss lady who owns the apartments next door to us has put a string of lights up all round the building and garden and I think they look lovely. We've got Christmas lights in the street here, one set are just outside our living room window, but seeing as Tina Turner bought them, I won't be complaining. ;)

Guest 06.12.2016 09:59

Re: Our neighbour took down our Christmas lights
 
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Originally Posted by Nelly123 (Post 2703145)
We are up on the 5th floor so it would take quite some climbing 'on their way home'. Same goes for people looking in thorough his window.

The note wasn't there yesterday, so it seems odd that our lights get taken down and the note appears if they are about different issues. His little window isn't facing the road but our patio so it seems quite clear its directed at us.

Even if the lights did annoy him, surely theres a nicer more civil way of going about things. I would rather not get into a war as we like making use of outside space in the summer and don't want to be dealing with him complaining at every turn.

How did he get to your balcony?

Nelly123 06.12.2016 10:00

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Originally Posted by CorsebouTheReturn (Post 2703138)
Correct. If it's true that someone took it down (and not animal, wind, gravity...) that's beyond "friendly relationships" and it's war.


.

There is no way it was wind/gravity/animals as the lights had been unplugged and unwound from around the railing and I had tied them to the other side and that had been undone as well and they were in a pile in the middle of the patio.

bigblue2 06.12.2016 10:02

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How did he get to your balcony?
http://img.lum.dolimg.com/v1/images/...C0%2C374%2C369

Nelly123 06.12.2016 10:03

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How did he get to your balcony?
He seems to have a small roof terrace so one level above ours with a fire escape coming down to a narrow platform space between our building and his so I suspect through there, although seems a lot of effort.

PaddyG 06.12.2016 10:03

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How did he get to your balcony?
That's what I was thinking. I thought you said they were on your patio area, implying a ground floor flat?

Guest 06.12.2016 10:04

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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 2703149)
The Swiss lady who owns the apartments next door to us has put a string of lights up all round the building and garden and I think they look lovely. We've got Christmas lights in the street here, one set are just outside our living room window, but seeing as Tina Turner bought them, I won't be complaining. ;)

I just had a marvelous vision of her tottering around on a stepladder, with all the lights slung over her shoulder... :D

PaddyG 06.12.2016 10:04

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Just put them back up with a note saying "Trespassers will be shot". Alternatively, wire them so he gets an electric shock if he touches them.

swissrob 06.12.2016 10:05

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I was thinking the same? Put them up again with sign saying "Trespassers Will Be Prosecuted" in German.


then report back here :0)


Quote:

How did he get to your balcony?

swissrob 06.12.2016 10:06

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Beat me to it!!!


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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 2703158)
Just put them back up with a note saying "Trespassers will be shot". Alternatively, wire them so he gets an electric shock if he touches them.



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