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Re: New kitchen - price negotiation?

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I don't think you will be able to negotiate in % terms very much, you will have more saving with reducing the scope of work by DIY (where possible) and managing the project yourself. Ex display items are a good option and you "should" be able to get extra units made to match if it is a bit on the small side.

If the old kitchen layout is close to what you want and the white wooden units are good quality/condition it might be worth considering renovating that. Simply put remove all the internals, doors, bench tops and end panels then order custom made replacements and refit. The limiting factor is a lot of (high quality) products are not available to the average person and it does require a bit of technical knowledge to order, install and refit them. I can assist you with this.

http://www.blum.com/eu/en/ & https://www.shakerdoors.co.uk/ will give you some idea
Thanks - current units are 30+ years old, and not in great shape, so not worth trying to renovate.

They're also 55cm and I want to move to 60cm as there are more options longer term (for example replacing any appliances, or if I did decide to replace the doors in 15-20 years).

Fitting isn't a problem technically, I can do all of that, but don't really have the time (scheduling, and also it would take me too long and my wife would be "unhappy" to say the least).

(I already replaced the hob and oven, with a certain amount of "adjustment" required to get the 60s to fit in the existing units!)
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Old 28.02.2017, 16:34
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Re: New kitchen - price negotiation?

I never saw the point in not replacing the unit carcasses. They're the cheap part of a kitchen. The doors, counter tops, appliances and possibly splash back are the expensive.

Even after a few years, the insides of the cupboards start getting a but grotty. Edges exposed to steam or water start to fail and the covering peels away - and the insides never match the latest fittings.
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So, if I get this right- no chance of our 30 m2 kitchen for under 20k then- ah well, never mind lol who needs a new kitchen anyway hey.
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So, if I get this right- no chance of our 30 m2 kitchen for under 20k then- ah well, never mind lol who needs a new kitchen anyway hey.
Sure their is, Ikea or possibly second hand but it will be a very low quality and generic kitchen at best.
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Might go for replacing tiling and worktops and hob + oven - or might just stick to what we've got- a 70s kitchen in a very very old, wonderful house
Perhaps when one of the appliances gives up the ghost ...

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I never saw the point in not replacing the unit carcasses. They're the cheap part of a kitchen. The doors, counter tops, appliances and possibly splash back are the expensive.

Even after a few years, the insides of the cupboards start getting a but grotty. Edges exposed to steam or water start to fail and the covering peels away - and the insides never match the latest fittings.
It depends. If they're cr*ppy chipwood, once the moisture gets at them there' no turning back.

But in a previous place I had ancient carcasses made of solid hardwood. I just sanded them down and repainted them. Furthermore they were of non standard shape and I could never have utilized the space available so efficiently with standard units. So we went for a mixture of refurbing old stuff with new doors and tops and combining with some new units where the old stuff was too restrictive.
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Re: New kitchen - price negotiation?

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I have to disagree with this. I'm currently installing (nearly finished) my 2nd Ikea kitchen in less than a year. I was so impressed with the first one, I had no hesitation in using them again. They have a 25 year warranty on everything but the appliances, 5 year warranty on the appliances (which are all Electrolux or Bauknecht under the Ikea badge), pretty easy to fit DIY or you can get a quote for their people to fit it. The kitchen part of the sparky bill was/will be around 1k (including new sockets etc), plumber to disconnect old dishwasher and sink, and reconnect new ones = around Fr 250 IIRC. Solid wood worktops - or custom (incl granite) if you prefer. Whole lot costing in the region of 10k all in (we've done everything except plumbing and electrics) or another 4-5k for fitting if we'd not trusted ourselves to DIY.

Their kitchen planners are excellent, and customer service has been superb. For example, I ordered the current kitchen during the Advent calendar offer period. I went in on the day sofa beds were 30% off because I needed one. The kitchen planner advised me to come back 10 days later because their offer for that day was going to be a Fr 50 voucher for every Fr 250 spent - cumulative. So back we went on the relevant day, ended up with nearly 2k worth of vouchers with which we bought the sofa bed - thereby accumulating more vouchers - and then the kitchen nick-nacks and dining chairs, ditto.
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Old 01.03.2017, 19:26
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I have to disagree with this. I'm currently installing (nearly finished) my 2nd Ikea kitchen in less than a year.
I know they don't last long but that's ridiculous.
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I know they don't last long but that's ridiculous.
Nice one 2 different properties, of course
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Old 01.03.2017, 20:05
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Re: New kitchen - price negotiation?

What we didn't like about the Ikea kitchens is that the drawer depth is only 60cm.

In our last kitchen, we had 75cm deep worktops which were brilliant - and cupboards underneath with correspondingly 'long' drawers.
We'd definitely go for 75cm deep worktops again but would want the deep cupboards too to maximise storage space.
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The kitchen budget for our new house was 23k (13 sqm), but we went a little over and spent 26k. All Miele appliances, induction hob, fancy cylindrical extraction fan, mixture of drawers and cupboards, and mid-range granite. Very pleased with the end result, I have to say.
May I ask where you got the quote from?
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May I ask where you got the quote from?
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Re: New kitchen - price negotiation?

Thre are alternatives which can substantially reduce the cost. IKEA used to have a kitchen fitting service, which was stylish and very competitive. Less than half the cost from a showroom and used good quality appliances.

A carpenter may be able to build and fix the cupboards, work spaces etc and you then just have to buy and fit the appliances. We had an offer of CHF 13,000 (including appliances), down from CHF 22,000 doing it this way for a studio apartment.

For another kitchen, 9mē, where the units were all fine but shabby, we had them taken down, cleaned and the units repainted with a high gloss finish and new handles. With new appliances the kitchen was like new and the total cost came in around CHF 7,000.
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Re: New kitchen - price negotiation?

A few questions on getting a new kitchen put in

For example if you buy it from a Swiss supplier or Mobel Markt Dogern for example, do they provide the installation service or do you have to arrange that yourself? Also with installation service does that include taking out the previous kitchen or must you do that yourself? Anyone have the full from start to finish experience and the costs involved.

Also, am I right in saying you cannot deduct the cost of installing a new kitchen from your tax?
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Re: New kitchen - price negotiation?

We got ours from Fust and fitting was part of the deal - of course we could have not taken that part and it would have cost less.

Normally they would also take out and dispose of the old kitchen, but we chose to do that ourselves because there was other work that needed doing, and we bought the appliances independently but the fitted items were still part of the installation.

You can (in SG) deduct it from your tax if it's a necessary refurbishment, i.e. the previous kitchen is older than the expected lifetime which is 20 or 25 years (see https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv/miet...ertabelle.html).
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A few questions on getting a new kitchen put in

For example if you buy it from a Swiss supplier or Mobel Markt Dogern for example, do they provide the installation service or do you have to arrange that yourself? Also with installation service does that include taking out the previous kitchen or must you do that yourself? Anyone have the full from start to finish experience and the costs involved.

Also, am I right in saying you cannot deduct the cost of installing a new kitchen from your tax?
We bought our kitchen in Switzerland. We found not every company wants to provide an onsite quote before you visit their showroom and look at their product. Carpenters also manufacture and install kitchens but not all have extensive showrooms with display kitchens. Some will charge a fee to plan a kitchen on site.

If you have the plans for your current kitchen with electrics and plumbing this is really helpful, especially if you want to change the layout.

In most cases the costs can be deducted from your taxes. This could include the following:

Ripping out the floor and old kitchen and disposal
Electrician
Plumber
Plasterer
Flooring
Painter
Kitchen cabinets
Appliances

If I were ever to do a new kitchen again I would be sure to have someone to coordinate all the tradespeople. The kitchen suppliers don't generally do this and figuring out who needs to do what and when was quite challenging. Having done this once I could do it again but I wouldn't want to. One tradesperson (with an additional fee) can take the lead and coordinate the others.

Costs for a new kitchen vary greatly depending on the size of the kitchen and materials. If you get lucky and find a display kitchen which fits you will save considerably.

Count on being without a kitchen for a good few weeks depending on how extensive the renovation is.

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Thre are alternatives which can substantially reduce the cost. IKEA used to have a kitchen fitting service, which was stylish and very competitive. Less than half the cost from a showroom and used good quality appliances.

A carpenter may be able to build and fix the cupboards, work spaces etc and you then just have to buy and fit the appliances. We had an offer of CHF 13,000 (including appliances), down from CHF 22,000 doing it this way for a studio apartment.

For another kitchen, 9mē, where the units were all fine but shabby, we had them taken down, cleaned and the units repainted with a high gloss finish and new handles. With new appliances the kitchen was like new and the total cost came in around CHF 7,000.
Pay Ikea the 100/150chf to come on site and get ideas and a quote for materials and also installation. This will give you an independent 'lowest price' for a new kitchen.
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What we didn't like about the Ikea kitchens is that the drawer depth is only 60cm.

In our last kitchen, we had 75cm deep worktops which were brilliant - and cupboards underneath with correspondingly 'long' drawers.
We'd definitely go for 75cm deep worktops again but would want the deep cupboards too to maximise storage space.
The good thing about the Ikea drawers is that you have the full depth as the drawers pull all the way out. It's also possible to modify them to get an additional 15cm of depth if you need that.
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The good thing about the Ikea drawers is that you have the full depth as the drawers pull all the way out. It's also possible to modify them to get an additional 15cm of depth if you need that.
There's more flexibility than that, even. The mounting of the runners can be varied to effectively raise or lower the bottom of the drawer, giving an extra cm of clearance, so you can fit them into gaps that might otherwise be too small. There's also the option of fitting to the drawer front or not, so as to open internally only, and half-depth drawers to allow clearance of pipes and stuff.

Really, pretty much any way you could think of mounting them, and probably some you wouldn't, is possible. I'll be sticking with them for our next kitchen replacement, for sure.
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The good thing about the Ikea drawers is that you have the full depth as the drawers pull all the way out.
Most modern drawers do that.

The ones in our current kitchen are really shallow and only pull out half-way.

They are so bad. Some of the drawers now have 5cm diameter holes in the bottom where I had to cut out a hole to free a stuck knife or other utensil that was stopping the drawer from opening.

We need a new kitchen but the current kitchen area is quite small and there's a 'U' shaped kitchen there now which would probably have to be replaced with the same as I can't work out a way of getting a better kitchen to fit without getting an extension built.
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