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Nuclear bunkers in CH

Can anyone give some info about these?

Are bunkers still mandatory?

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/prepared...for-all/995134
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Re: Nuclear bunkers in CH

The simple answer is yes. Every town ensures there are enough places in a bunker for everyone.

I have heard that the "one bunker for each house" rule was dropped many years ago, in favour of larger bunkers for groups of houses.

Personally I doubt anyone would come out alive: I am sure they would all kill each other after a month locked up together.
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Can anyone give some info about these?

Are bunkers still mandatory?

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/prepared...for-all/995134
Yes, as it would not be fair on people who have already paid to stop making them a requirement.
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Re: Nuclear bunkers in CH

There isn't any in our house. What I heard that the nearest house with bunker can be used then. On top that those bunkers should be filled in with food for several month but people usually store there on stuff instead.
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There isn't any in our house. What I heard that the nearest house with bunker can be used then. On top that those bunkers should be filled in with food for several month but people usually store there on stuff instead.
If your house does not have one, the people who built the house has to pay for a certain no of places elsewhere.
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Yes, as it would not be fair on people who have already paid to stop making them a requirement.
We don't have one and we don't pay anything for a space in one either. Does that mean we're doomed?

Actually I thought that they were no longer a requirement but it may be a cantonal thing.

Edit: it seems that new build private houses are no longer required to have them, only properties with more than 38 rooms. ( and homes and hospitals)

https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/30055...igatoires.html
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We don't have one and we don't pay anything for a space in one either. Does that mean we're doomed?

Actually I thought that they were no longer a requirement but it may be a cantonal thing.

Edit: it seems that new build private houses are no longer required to have them, only properties with more than 38 rooms. ( and homes and hospitals)

https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/30055...igatoires.html
I looked at building about 10 years ago & would have needed to pay about 3k to have places in the village bunker. It was a one off payment v 60k for my own which was required if I built a cellar (in AG)
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Re: Nuclear bunkers in CH

We have ours along with toilets etc where our caves are.

I was told that that caves are usually separated by slats of wood so if needed can be burned to provide heat. The 2 caves next to me are stuffed full of wines and the other with jars of jam. I have wondered how we would cope with all the livestock as many in my building of 20 apartments have cats and dogs..
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I have wondered how we would cope with all the livestock as many in my building of 20 apartments have cats and dogs..
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I think you're not allowed to take them along, do you?
I'm sure if they were prepared in advance nobody would complain.
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I think you're not allowed to take them along, do you?
Bring them! Great source of protein.
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Personally I doubt anyone would come out alive: I am sure they would all kill each other after a month locked up together.
A month !!!

In a dark stinking hole, i'll give anybody no more than 30 minutes before becoming totally disorientated and wanting to get out.

Once you were in and the door shut, just exactly how were you to decide when to get out ? No radio , no information, no light....

Whoever got this passed through parliament must be sitting on diamond encrusted bidets by now, it was estimated it added 5% to the cost of a house and there were only a few "approved suppliers" .....talk about being Swizerlanded, this was the ultimate screw
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We have ours along with toilets etc where our caves are.

I was told that that caves are usually separated by slats of wood so if needed can be burned to provide heat..

uuhhhh.............lack of oxygen for combustion, creation of carbon monoxide....i think burning in an enclosed space would result in death far quicker than anything else !!!
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Re: Nuclear bunkers in CH

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A month !!!

In a dark stinking hole, i'll give anybody no more than 30 minutes before becoming totally disorientated and wanting to get out.

Once you were in and the door shut, just exactly how were you to decide when to get out ? No radio , no information, no light....

Whoever got this passed through parliament must be sitting on diamond encrusted bidets by now, it was estimated it added 5% to the cost of a house and there were only a few "approved suppliers" .....talk about being Swizerlanded, this was the ultimate screw
Or even worst, the house collapses on top blocking the exit.
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I looked at building about 10 years ago & would have needed to pay about 3k to have places in the village bunker. It was a one off payment v 60k for my own which was required if I built a cellar (in AG)
Things have changed a bit in 10 years.
It appears the changes to make them no longer obligatory in most private dwellings were made in 2011. Existing shelters still have to be maintained and are inspected.
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Re: Nuclear bunkers in CH

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A month !!!

In a dark stinking hole, i'll give anybody no more than 30 minutes before becoming totally disorientated and wanting to get out.

Once you were in and the door shut, just exactly how were you to decide when to get out ? No radio , no information, no light....

Whoever got this passed through parliament must be sitting on diamond encrusted bidets by now, it was estimated it added 5% to the cost of a house and there were only a few "approved suppliers" .....talk about being Swizerlanded, this was the ultimate screw
Of course those bunkers never were intended to be inhabited for months. Those regulations were introduced after WW II in view of the fact that countless lives could have been saved if those cities that got bombed to smithereens had had something similar. In addition, the shelters got some basic air filter equipment.

Needless to say no one ever expected those shelters to withstand the impact of a nuclear bomb at ground zero, but just a mile or two away they could have saved hundreds of thousands.

And of course that burning-the-slat-wood-inside-the-shelters-for-heating thing mentioned by smackerjack is complete nonsense. That never was in the picture, not even remotely.
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Re: Nuclear bunkers in CH

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A month !!!

In a dark stinking hole, i'll give anybody no more than 30 minutes before becoming totally disorientated and wanting to get out.

Once you were in and the door shut, just exactly how were you to decide when to get out ? No radio , no information, no light....

Whoever got this passed through parliament must be sitting on diamond encrusted bidets by now, it was estimated it added 5% to the cost of a house and there were only a few "approved suppliers" .....talk about being Swizerlanded, this was the ultimate screw
It has nothing to do with nuclear attack.
It has everything to do with conventional aerial bombardment, and providing the population somewhere to hide at night and to fight back from.
You should have a firearm, a radio, and a light.

Mock the intelligence of the military men who had the foresight to put this into practise, but you will benefit if the worst happens.

If a nuclear bomb is detonated close to Zürich or over Zurich, go out and enjoy the show. You will not survive it anyway due to radiation, over pressure and heat.
Hiroshima was a very low yield and inefficient design, the danger from above that modern fission/fussion weapons present are orders of magnitude more powerful.
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Re: Nuclear bunkers in CH

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A month !!!

In a dark stinking hole, i'll give anybody no more than 30 minutes before becoming totally disorientated and wanting to get out.

Once you were in and the door shut, just exactly how were you to decide when to get out ? No radio , no information, no light....

Whoever got this passed through parliament must be sitting on diamond encrusted bidets by now, it was estimated it added 5% to the cost of a house and there were only a few "approved suppliers" .....talk about being Swizerlanded, this was the ultimate screw
It has nothing to do with nuclear attack.
It has everything to do with conventional aerial bombardment, and providing the population somewhere to hide at night and to fight back from.
You should have a firearm, a radio, and a light. Water and food too. Lots of water. Even though Zürich is the only city in the world to have a dual, read redundant, water supply, it becomes very precious during conflict.

Mock the intelligence of the military men who had the foresight to put this into practise, but you will benefit if the worst happens.

If a nuclear bomb is detonated close to Zürich or over Zurich, go out and enjoy the show. You will not survive it anyway due to radiation, over pressure and heat.
Hiroshima was a very low yield and inefficient design, the danger from above that modern fission/fussion weapons present are orders of magnitude more powerful.
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If a nuclear bomb is detonated close to Zürich or over Zurich, go out and enjoy the show. You will not survive it anyway due to radiation, over pressure and heat.
All depends on the size of the device.

You can play with different values here:

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?...=1&ff=50&zm=11
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