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Choice of Decking Material: plastic, bamboo, other?

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I'm looking to install a deck - any experiences on decking choice?

This will be as part of Northern face of the building - little sunlight except at the height of summer. I was leaning to plastic (wpc) but I hear this faded over time with little that can be done. Wood is option but concerned of rot given the prolonged periods of wet we can get (obviously not now).

Any thoughts and experiences are appreciated.
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Re: Choice of Decking Material: plastic, bamboo, other?

Thought about stone?
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Re: Choice of Decking Material: plastic, bamboo, other?

Yes but ruled it out- I would rather some form of "wooden" decking.
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Re: Choice of Decking Material: plastic, bamboo, other?

You might want to consider the maintenance effort that is needed afterward. Wood often requires treatment (oil or paint) every few years to keep it in good condition. The newer plastic materials don't require any periodic maintenance as far as I know.
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Re: Choice of Decking Material: plastic, bamboo, other?

All decking has it good and bad points. Reality is that on the northern side it will require more maintenance. I would be more concerned about staining from mould on WPC than fading. For wood I would only use Ipè in a smooth finish it is a hardwood (sometimes called ironwood) but not easy for the public to purchase.
Regardless of choice you will need to clean it after winter with a power washer. Ipè will fade to grey without oil but does not effect the lifespan, adding a coat of fungicide after washing will help. If it is a reasonable size I can order for you through my suppliers deliver direct to you.
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Ipè will fade to grey without oil but does not effect the lifespan, adding a coat of fungicide after washing will help. If it is a reasonable size I can order for you through my suppliers deliver direct to you.
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Re: Choice of Decking Material: plastic, bamboo, other?

I guess the best option is wood. It is more pleasant to touch. Not so cold like stone and the overall look is better than plastic. Just find a good expert in wood and consult which wood type is better for your weather conditions. My friend has built a wood facade and he used several types of wood even without insulation. The guy who sold him the wood is some expert in the 2nd generation and he advised what to select for that. I guess this is him http://www.huesler-holz.ch/massivholz/holzboden.html
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Re: Choice of Decking Material: plastic, bamboo, other?

Rather than start a new thread.

We need to replace a small area of decking.

I need to choose the material. Has anyone got any experience of heat-treated decking wood for longevity/easy maintenance?

Any particular recommendations for types of wood they have used themselves.

Does anyone sell it in 4m lengths (for a frame).

P.S. I can google generic answers myself so I'm more interested in personal experience here especially due to the cold winters and harsh summer sun.

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Re: Choice of Decking Material: plastic, bamboo, other?

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Re: Choice of Decking Material: plastic, bamboo, other?

We just replaced our balcony deck with a hardwood called Mukulungu which we bought from Hornbach in Affoltern. If you’re lazy there is also no need to oil it regularly and it looks stunning in the sunlight.

Our handyman made the suggestion of this hardwood - Bangkirai is another. All wood sourced from sustainable plantations.
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We just replaced our balcony deck with a hardwood called Mukulungu which we bought from Hornbach in Affoltern. If you’re lazy there is also no need to oil it regularly and it looks stunning in the sunlight.

Our handyman made the suggestion of this hardwood - Bangkirai is another. All wood sourced from sustainable plantations.
I've seen those. Unfortunately I need two supports that are just under 4m long each and I can't get those woods in that length.

I could use something else but then the colour wouldn't match and even if it did initially, the colour of the two woods would undoubtedly differ in colour over time.

I suppose I could use two shorter lengths as they are attached to something else so aren't totally load bearing but I wanted to use one long length for aesthetics.

What type of wood are you using for a frame (if any)?
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Re: Choice of Decking Material: plastic, bamboo, other?

Tom,
When I built my ipe deck 4 years back, I ordered all the wood from Holzhandel Deutschland. Parts of our deck use 7 m long planks. I seem to recall that my support frame is not ipe but a similar tropical hardwood that they had on sale at the time. Need to look at the receipts.

I'm quite happy with how the deck is holding up in the sun, rain and snow. I give it a good cleaning and oiling once a year but it is rather gray. I think more frequent oilings would be necessary in this climate to keep it in the reddish brown color as new.
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What type of wood are you using for a frame (if any)?
Treated Larch with rubber feet & packers. As an aside we ordered 10 % extra wood in case any of the planks were warped/twisted & thus unusable. We were told the longer the decking the more this becomes a potential issue. Our deck used 2.7m lengths so it was ok - and Hornbach take back the extra if you return within 30 days.
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Rather than start a new thread.

We need to replace a small area of decking.

I need to choose the material. Has anyone got any experience of heat-treated decking wood for longevity/easy maintenance?

Any particular recommendations for types of wood they have used themselves.

Does anyone sell it in 4m lengths (for a frame).

P.S. I can google generic answers myself so I'm more interested in personal experience here especially due to the cold winters and harsh summer sun.

Thanks!
I can order it for you and get it delivered for a small fee, shop.kuratlejaeker.ch also sell to the public but I normally get a discount. Depending on the timber lengths up to 7m are available in about 30cm increments, don't forget the rule of thumb with length, you should order boards a minimum of the width longer than you need as often the ends split as a result of drying.

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We just replaced our balcony deck with a hardwood called Mukulungu which we bought from Hornbach in Affoltern. If you’re lazy there is also no need to oil it regularly and it looks stunning in the sunlight.

Our handyman made the suggestion of this hardwood - Bangkirai is another. All wood sourced from sustainable plantations.
There are a lot of hardwoods available for decks, the main difference is the amount they "move and swell/shrink" between summer and winter, like beer - none are bad just some better than others!
I use specialist suppliers for oil, I have not come across high quality oil in the hardware shops here. Adler Lacke is good, Rubio monocot is one I am trying at the moment but at Chf100 per litre it should be! The lazy man's option is to pressure wash it and apply a fungicide and let it go grey.

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Treated Larch with rubber feet & packers. As an aside we ordered 10 % extra wood in case any of the planks were warped/twisted & thus unusable. We were told the longer the decking the more this becomes a potential issue. Our deck used 2.7m lengths so it was ok - and Hornbach take back the extra if you return within 30 days.
The construction timber should be at least as hard as the decking timber or you risk the screws pulling out or coming loose over time.

No decking is zero maintenance, the climate here is harsh on decking so a bit of maintenance and cleaning can add to the life. WPC doesn't require oil but is prone to fading and stains so should be cleaned more then a wood deck. It also grows and shrinks in length quite a bit more than wood. I am searching sealers for WPC decking but there is not any available here from my normal suppliers, there are a few available in the USA but that is too hard, I am considering using a water based external tile sealer if any one has a recommendation.
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I can order it for you and get it delivered for a small fee, shop.kuratlejaeker.ch also sell to the public but I normally get a discount. Depending on the timber lengths up to 7m are available in about 30cm increments, don't forget the rule of thumb with length, you should order boards a minimum of the width longer than you need as often the ends split as a result of drying.
Thanks for the offer. What sort of delivery times do they typically have (days/weeks/months?)

I couldn't find any prices on their website but that's normal here if they only supply to trade on their website.

Have you ever used Accoya wood? It looks interesting from a durability point of view
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Thanks for the offer. What sort of delivery times do they typically have (days/weeks/months?)

I couldn't find any prices on their website but that's normal here if they only supply to trade on their website.

Have you ever used Accoya wood? It looks interesting from a durability point of view
Accoya (treated radiata pine) is good for long life but is soft, it does come precoloured but I am not sure what you do when it needs refurbishment. Cheapest to dearest is about Chf80 to Chf110 m2 so not much in the big picture. If you want sightless screws add circa Chf19 m2. Heat treated would be my preference over Accoya just for the colour.
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Delivery time is 2 days or 1 week if they need to machine grooves for sightless installation. Geckoclips or similar https://shop.kuratlejaecker.ch/132481.html
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I use specialist suppliers for oil, I have not come across high quality oil in the hardware shops here. Adler Lacke is good, Rubio monocot is one I am trying at the moment but at Chf100 per litre it should be!
So, any good recommendations for Ipe oil? I have been ordering BEKO products from Austria for the last few years (Cleaner and Oil). They seem to work OK but I would be open to trying alternatives.

Which Adler Lacke product did you use?

Also, I am thinking of using an "Entgrauer" this year to try to get some of the natural color back. Any experience with this?

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So, any good recommendations for Ipe oil? I have been ordering BEKO products from Austria for the last few years (Cleaner and Oil). They seem to work OK but I would be open to trying alternatives.

Which Adler Lacke product did you use?

Also, I am thinking of using an "Entgrauer" this year to try to get some of the natural color back. Any experience with this?

Thanks!
I have not used the Entgrauer but it is worth a try! I normally pressure wash then sand with an electric sander 100 or 120 grit, this helps close the surface so adds a bit of life.


Adler oil I have used is https://www.adler-lacke.com/en/produ...bodenoel-9695/

I also tried Rubiomonocoat recently and that looked good as well but at Chf100 per litre (for 30m2 of deck) it is not cheap but meant to last longer and less smell. https://www.rubiomonocoat.com/en/p/p...ction-products
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Can heat-treated timber be treated with normal wood oil too?
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