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Swimming pools (temporary) planning permission required

We were pretty surprised to find out that planning permission is required to have ANY swimming pool in your garden. In canton Vaud (assume others are similar?) the definition is A) any size and B) temporary or permanent

So even a blow up pool that is 1m x 2m requires planning permission, yes the one that you put up on Saturday and remove the next week.

I can understand if the pool is above a certain size or is permanent but for summer kids pools it seems slightly crazy.

I thought i'd share the info as a heads up as it was new to us and we've been here a while.
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One very important reason is that it should not be too close to a water course, to prevent pollution.
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Could a small childs paddling pool cause an issue to a water course ? also what is defined as a water course ?
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In Neuchatel, paddling pools (pataugeoires) are exempt as long as they are less than 3m diameter and do not have a pump and water filter.

Check the rules for Vaud.

A watercourse is a flowing body of water (stream or river for example). The authorities want to prevent the chemicals getting into the water supply.
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Re: Swimming pools (temporary) planning permission required

In VD It's anything permanent, non permanent and size doesn't matter.

So for anyone thinking of buying a paddling pool from jumbo then technically you'll need permission from your commune. I do wonder how far they police it though.
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Until a miserable neighbour calls the commune to complain perhaps
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Can't a paddling pool be moved from place to place? Unless you've got an awfully big puff on you.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bestway-510...=paddling+pool
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Can't a paddling pool be moved from place to place? Unless you've got an awfully big puff on you.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bestway-510...=paddling+pool
That was my point with the commune this morning. Technically you need to apply for a new planning permission if you move it.

I'm really tempted to buy one like in the link, get the permission and then keep moving it and reapplying every few weeks
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We were pretty surprised to find out that planning permission is required to have ANY swimming pool in your garden. In canton Vaud (assume others are similar?) the definition is A) any size and B) temporary or permanent
Any link to the actual regulation/law? Without official text or at least a proper citation it is just chatter and hearsay.

Should be somewhere here: http://www.rsv.vd.ch/rsvsite/rsv_site/index.xsp
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The VD cantonal directive says:

Les piscines non couvertes et autres bassins extérieurs peuvent être
dispensés d’enquête publique par la municipalité, pour autant que ces objets
ne portent pas atteinte à des intérêts dignes de protection, en particulier à
ceux des voisins.

So I doubt a paddling pool will fall foul of this.

I recommend you check it is OK with your neighbours, check proximity of a water course and go back to the commune with the directive.
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Re: Swimming pools (temporary) planning permission required

Here's the text from my local commune:

ASSAINISSEMENT DES PISCINES ET BASSINS D'AGRÉMENT AUTORISATION ET PERMIS DE CONSTRUIRE

L'installation d'une piscine enterrée ou hors-sol, fixe ou démontable, estsoumise à permis de construire, ceci indépendamment du volume du bassin (Directive cantonale DCPE 501).

Cette directive s'applique à la construction et à l'assainissement des piscines, spas, jacuzzis et autres bassins d'agrément.

Les piscines non couvertes et autres bassins extérieurs peuvent être dispensés d'enquête publique par la municipalité, pour autant que ces objets ne portent pas atteinte à des intérêts dignes de protection, en particulier à ceux des voisins (résumé des procédures).

Une autorisation spéciale cantonale est requise dès que l'une des conditionssuivantes est remplie :

la piscine n'est pas démontable d'une saison à l'autre
la piscine se situe en zone "S" de protection des eaux
la piscine se situe hors zone à bâtir
l'eau de la piscine est chauffée
la piscine est destinée à l'usage de plus d'une famille.
Dans un tel cas, le dossier doit être établi conformément aux dispositions légales et remis par la commune à la centrale des autorisations (CAMAC).

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The installation of an underground or above ground pool, fixed or demountable, is subject to a building permit, regardless of the volume of the basin (Cantonal Directive DCPE 501).

This directive applies to the construction and sanitation of swimming pools, spas, jacuzzis and other pleasure ponds.

Uncovered swimming pools and other outdoor pools may be exempted from public inquiry by the municipality, provided that such objects do not undermine protection interests, in particular those of neighbors (summary of procedures).

A special cantonal authorization is required as soon as one of the following conditions is fulfilled:

The pool is not removable from one season to another
The swimming pool is located in zone "S" of protection of the waters
The pool is located outside the building area
The pool water is heated
The pool is intended for the use of more than one family.
In such a case, the file must be drawn up in accordance with the legal provisions and delivered by the municipality to the Central Authorities (CAMAC).


It cites the DCPE 501 and clearly says in that text that it doesn't matter if it's demountable and that the size is irrelevant however I cannot find the same interpretation in said DCPE 501.

Perhaps my commune has narrowed the scope on the cantonal directive ?
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Re: Swimming pools (temporary) planning permission required

Is the requirement perhaps just put in place to keep people form having "temporary" pools for months, let alone years? So in practice it's not acted upon when it comes to kid's mini-pools?
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Is the requirement perhaps just put in place to keep people form having "temporary" pools for months, let alone years? So in practice it's not acted upon when it comes to kid's mini-pools?
that is a possibility, i.e. to stop people abusing the rules so to speak.
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Here's the text from my local commune:
Nice. But where is the link to it? What commune?
Do you want help or just nag around. Btw. you find the cited text in DCPE 501 which ch2013 linked to.

In the communes of Valbroye http://www.valbroye.ch/net/Net_valbr...1&NumStr=22.60 Mathod http://www.mathod.ch/usr_files/docum...ASSINS%20D.pdf or
Daillens http://www.daillens.ch/files/1495546...05119-2029.pdf for example when the pool is larger than 5, 5 or 4 cubic meters respectively. (Considered it is unheated, and removable, for one family only etc.)

Here a short overview of other cantonal regulations provided by a pool constructor:
http://www.pamatrex.ch/fr/11-divers/23-autorisations
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That was my point with the commune this morning. Technically you need to apply for a new planning permission if you move it.

I'm really tempted to buy one like in the link, get the permission and then keep moving it and reapplying every few weeks
Better check the cost of the planning application before you try that.
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Here's the text from my local commune:

ASSAINISSEMENT DES PISCINES ET BASSINS D'AGRÉMENT AUTORISATION ET PERMIS DE CONSTRUIRE

L'installation d'une piscine enterrée ou hors-sol, fixe ou démontable, estsoumise à permis de construire, ceci indépendamment du volume du bassin (Directive cantonale DCPE 501).

Cette directive s'applique à la construction et à l'assainissement des piscines, spas, jacuzzis et autres bassins d'agrément.

Les piscines non couvertes et autres bassins extérieurs peuvent être dispensés d'enquête publique par la municipalité, pour autant que ces objets ne portent pas atteinte à des intérêts dignes de protection, en particulier à ceux des voisins (résumé des procédures).

Une autorisation spéciale cantonale est requise dès que l'une des conditionssuivantes est remplie :

la piscine n'est pas démontable d'une saison à l'autre
la piscine se situe en zone "S" de protection des eaux
la piscine se situe hors zone à bâtir
l'eau de la piscine est chauffée
la piscine est destinée à l'usage de plus d'une famille.
Dans un tel cas, le dossier doit être établi conformément aux dispositions légales et remis par la commune à la centrale des autorisations (CAMAC).

translated:

The installation of an underground or above ground pool, fixed or demountable, is subject to a building permit, regardless of the volume of the basin (Cantonal Directive DCPE 501).

This directive applies to the construction and sanitation of swimming pools, spas, jacuzzis and other pleasure ponds.

Uncovered swimming pools and other outdoor pools may be exempted from public inquiry by the municipality, provided that such objects do not undermine protection interests, in particular those of neighbors (summary of procedures).

A special cantonal authorization is required as soon as one of the following conditions is fulfilled:

The pool is not removable from one season to another
The swimming pool is located in zone "S" of protection of the waters
The pool is located outside the building area
The pool water is heated
The pool is intended for the use of more than one family.
In such a case, the file must be drawn up in accordance with the legal provisions and delivered by the municipality to the Central Authorities (CAMAC).


It cites the DCPE 501 and clearly says in that text that it doesn't matter if it's demountable and that the size is irrelevant however I cannot find the same interpretation in said DCPE 501.

Perhaps my commune has narrowed the scope on the cantonal directive ?

This quote clearly excludes the inflatable kiddy pools, so I don't see what the fuss is about?!
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Nice. But where is the link to it? What commune?
Do you want help or just nag around. Btw. you find the cited text in DCPE 501 which ch2013 linked to.

In the communes of Valbroye http://www.valbroye.ch/net/Net_valbr...1&NumStr=22.60 Mathod http://www.mathod.ch/usr_files/docum...ASSINS%20D.pdf or
Daillens http://www.daillens.ch/files/1495546...05119-2029.pdf for example when the pool is larger than 5, 5 or 4 cubic meters respectively. (Considered it is unheated, and removable, for one family only etc.)

Here a short overview of other cantonal regulations provided by a pool constructor:
http://www.pamatrex.ch/fr/11-divers/23-autorisations
The text is as quoted, no deviations.

I thought it was helpful to make people aware of this point as it was new to me and perhaps to some others as well.

Where does the nagging around come in ?

The summary seems to be that each commune has a different interpretation of the cantonal directive and that ours has kept the definition as open as possible so it can decide what needs permission and what doesn't.
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Re: Swimming pools (temporary) planning permission required

@Ridgway, just compare Section 3 of DCPE 501 with the text you quoted. It is the same.

So yes you are right, by the strict letter of the law you need permission to set up a kids pool. Some permission can be handed out by the commune, some permission must be done through the cantonal authorities. But most, if not all, communes are not that crazy and have limits from what size on you actually need one. Maybe your commune is the total crazy one.
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But most, if not all, communes are not that crazy and have limits from what size on you actually need one. Maybe your commune is the total crazy one.
seems it is from my conversation this morning, thanks for the help
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This quote clearly excludes the inflatable kiddy pools, so I don't see what the fuss is about?!
apparently it doesn't as it doesn't have any size or volume specifications which sensibly most other communes have put it.
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