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Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

I'm selling my apt in Zurich and got this crazy message from the agent:

"The wall between the master bedroom and the small bedroom is only a wooden panel. We did not see it when we evaluated but the clients did notice. This did lead to the conclusion that it is only a 3.5 room apartment. It is difficult for us to argue against it. Why is there no concrete wall between the two rooms?"

Why would anyone put a concrete wall in the middle of an apartment? Esp. if there isn't one below it.

The wall is good at noise isolation between the rooms, so I never gave it a second thought.

Is there a rule that rooms must be defined by concrete walls?

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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

Did you put the stud wall in yourself ?
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

Nonsense.

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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

Better get another agent.
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

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Did you put the stud wall in yourself ?

No, it's been there for a very long time. The building date is 1931.
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

Sounds like the clients want to negotiate a sales price drop since it's not the same number of rooms as advertised.
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Old 23.07.2017, 14:22
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

wall

any of various permanent upright constructions having a length much greater than the thickness and presenting a continuous surface except where pierced by doors, windows, etc.: used for shelter, protection, or privacy, or to subdivide interior space, to support floors, roofs, or the like, to retain earth, to fence in an area, etc.
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

Can you make Mexico pay for it?
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

How is the flat described in the Grundbuch entry?


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But thise question aside, get rid of this agent as soon as you can/as your contract with him or her allows. And watch your back from now on. From what you wrote, the agent's response shows that he is not willing or able to act in your best interest. Were it me I would not be able to trust him in negotiations going forward.
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Old 23.07.2017, 14:44
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

There are wooden walls in many houses .... specially in old ones like yours.
There is an advantage to those: They're not "carrying walls" as we call them so they could be removed.
Flats are sold by m2, not really by amount of rooms.

As someone said, change the agent. Get one who a) knows his job and b) knows who he's working for
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

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Sounds like the clients want to negotiate a sales price drop since it's not the same number of rooms as advertised.
Given the information I would rise the price as the non load-bearing, dividing wall can be easily removed and the usable and also perceived space of the apartment considerably increased without much effort or cost.



If there are really no load-bearing beams behind the cladding I really suggest to use this fact to your own advantage. If the deal does not go through and you must re-advertise mention in the new ad that the wall between the two rooms could easily be removed and the space enlarged if needed.

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No, it's been there for a very long time. The building date is 1931.
What the hell is the client thinking? That was common practice around that time. And also before, or after, and is still now. Why use bricks when you can achieve the very same with other materials?
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

Ask Donald, he's a specialist in wall building
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

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No he's not or they would have started to build it.
Okay, maybe it's just him being indecisive .... brick .... solar panels .... see through ... all these choices.
According to OP's prospect, wood is definitely not a proper division - so that's out. Who tells Donald?
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

Does that mean that wooden houses do not exist at all?

How very zen.
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No he's not or they would have started to build it.
Okay, maybe it's just him being indecisive .... brick .... solar panels .... see through ... all these choices.
According to OP's prospect, wood is definitely not a proper division - so that's out. Who tells Donald?
If Donald is demanded to use concrete since else it's no wall, he'd better seek some advice from the Germans for the implementation of long lasting thick concrete at huge scale.
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Does that mean that wooden houses do not exist at all?
Only in single room versions
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

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But if the external walls are wood, and wood walls do not exist, then there are no external walls and all you have is land with pipes and wires floating mysteriously in the air.
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Does that mean that wooden houses do not exist at all?

How very zen.
Yep, if someone wants it you have to give it to him for free.
Don't know what all the fuss is about the second-home-chalets is about now.

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If Donald is demanded to use concrete since else it's no wall, he'd better seek some advice from the Germans for the implementation of long lasting thick concrete at huge scale.
We better buy a piece of it right when it's up. Once the art is sprayed on, these bits are rather expensive when it comes tumbling down.

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But if the external walls are wood, and wood walls do not exist, then there are no external walls and all you have is land with pipes and wires floating mysteriously in the air.
If the name of the architect would be Dali or Warhol, i'm certain you can stil call it a house and sell it for huge numbers.
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Re: Is a wall only a wall if it is concrete?

Finally I understand.

This pipe must be made of wood.

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