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Where should i live in Switzerland?

Good evening to everyone, i would like to take advantage of your experience again.

I would like to get some suggestion and firs hand experience about some places in Switzerland i'm considering to move to.

I'm a 30 years old Italian single male man, i'm not looking for a job in Switzerland and i'm planning to become a rentier. Let's just take the number of 100.000 CHF a year as a starting point (before taxation).
I want to point out that i'm not looking for the place with the lowest taxation possible: few thousand bucks saved are not worth living in a place i don't like.

Since i'm not going to work as normally intended (definitely not 40 hours a week, and not needing to be in a place at a certain time of the day) I'm gonna have a lot of free time. That allows me to spend more time travelling in different places in Switzerland. People that need to spend a lot of time at work usually choose to live in big cities and have everything at disposal cause they don't have time to drive much farther from where they live and work.
I don't wait to live in a secluded place either.

I'd like to proceed with a little of brainstorming instead of telling you about my entire life and what i like or not.

I was mainly conflicted between Canton Bern (Bern itself, Thun.... Interlaken?) and Vaud (Lausanne, Montreux or something in between).

I like skiing and nature and hiking, i think that Jungrafu regions it the best mountain place in the world (if you put togheter multiple aspects) and having it really close as my daily playground would be a nice plus. Then i'm also aware of some minus (Language harder to learn, worse climate) that are not a game brakers, but still matters.

In Swiss Riviera you have a beautiful lake, more lively area i suppose (visited in twice and that was the feeling). I have a lot of amazing mountains in the 2 hour range, but probably not much at a distance i would be happy to do every day.

I'd like you to take Lugano out of the equation (i know it very well, i'm not excluding it yet). Don't want to make a wall of text as first post, i'll try to read your answers and we'll see how the discussion goes.

Thank you in advance for dedicating me your own time!
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Re: Where should i live in Switzerland?

Since you have plenty of money, somewhere expensive. Central Switzerland, Lucerne or Zurich.
Since you are going to be travelling around, then somewhere with good connections.
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Re: Where should i live in Switzerland?

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Since you have plenty of money, somewhere expensive. Central Switzerland, Lucerne or Zurich.
Since you are going to be travelling around, then somewhere with good connections.
I've been in both, I think Zurich is more expensive on rent and everything else, but maybe the better taxation could level the difference. Although I'm looking at something more on the natural side of things
Lucerne is smaller (big enough for everyday need probably), I would be farther to the airport but closer to ski resorts (and to my beloved Berner Alps)
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I don't get the joke sir, I'm sorry!
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You are becomming incredibly tiresome, a bit like a troll......
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Seeing that OP already got the answers in another thread
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I'm starting to think you have something against me, sir.
And I'm sorry to say this, but you are plain and simple wrong. I didn't get any answer to this specific question.

I would like you to avoid bashing me in every single post and let me do my thing, please. If nobody wants to answer that's up to them. Thank you.
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I'm starting to think you have something against me, sir.
And I'm sorry to say this, but you are plain and simple wrong. I didn't get any answer to this specific question.

I would like you to avoid bashing me in every single post and let me do my thing, please. If nobody wants to answer that's up to them. Thank you.
First of all, not a "sir".

Secondly, your question was answered many times with the according links to tax levels
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Secondly, your question was answered many times with the according links to tax levels
Exactly. But we were forewarned a couple of times on that thread that he would be opening a new thread... which he did in the night...
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Good evening to everyone, i would like to take advantage of your experience again.

I would like to get some suggestion and firs hand experience about some places in Switzerland i'm considering to move to.

I'm a 30 years old Italian single male man, i'm not looking for a job in Switzerland and i'm planning to become a rentier. Let's just take the number of 100.000 CHF a year as a starting point (before taxation).
I want to point out that i'm not looking for the place with the lowest taxation possible: few thousand bucks saved are not worth living in a place i don't like.

Since i'm not going to work as normally intended (definitely not 40 hours a week, and not needing to be in a place at a certain time of the day) I'm gonna have a lot of free time. That allows me to spend more time travelling in different places in Switzerland. People that need to spend a lot of time at work usually choose to live in big cities and have everything at disposal cause they don't have time to drive much farther from where they live and work.
I don't wait to live in a secluded place either.

I'd like to proceed with a little of brainstorming instead of telling you about my entire life and what i like or not.

I was mainly conflicted between Canton Bern (Bern itself, Thun.... Interlaken?) and Vaud (Lausanne, Montreux or something in between).

I like skiing and nature and hiking, i think that Jungrafu regions it the best mountain place in the world (if you put togheter multiple aspects) and having it really close as my daily playground would be a nice plus. Then i'm also aware of some minus (Language harder to learn, worse climate) that are not a game brakers, but still matters.

In Swiss Riviera you have a beautiful lake, more lively area i suppose (visited in twice and that was the feeling). I have a lot of amazing mountains in the 2 hour range, but probably not much at a distance i would be happy to do every day.

I'd like you to take Lugano out of the equation (i know it very well, i'm not excluding it yet). Don't want to make a wall of text as first post, i'll try to read your answers and we'll see how the discussion goes.

Thank you in advance for dedicating me your own time!
I think this is why people are unhappy - in the other post, you stated an assumption which was quickly and conclusively shown to be incorrect (in the view of the forum on average), but then kept on and on implying that maybe you knew otherwise.

Now here you're basically asking a vague question which has obvious similarities to the other one, and putting criteria on it ("I'm not going to tell you much about myself"), which is asked ALL THE TIME.

People don't want to spend their time on this, they try to politely discourage you, and then unfortunately get sucked in.

Regulars on EF are simply fed up with "where should I live", "which is the best bit of Switzerland" posts - how can anyone possibly decide?

If you asked "is village X welcoming to English speakers" then we could answer. But village Y 10km away could be completely different!

I would suggest pick a bunch of potential locations from the map, Google and EF them, then if you can come up with a shortlist try another post with something useful in it.
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Re: Where should i live in Switzerland?

Vaud have high taxes, around 12% vs the 7% of Zug or a bit more in Zurich, Argau, etc...

Several people in VD lives or cheat-to-live in Valais for taxes reasons.
Several people in VD live in FR since a few things are cheaper, including taxes.

Yes, it's mostly about the finance and you said that's not your priority. But the rest is so subjective!!!

The rest seems to be a bit "spoon feeding". You fear to learn the language? Come on, it's a public forum full of people working everyday and who can not afford the luxury of so much free time as you. Can you show some considerations as well? You will have plenty of time to learn any language, so use moderation!
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First of all, not a "sir".

Secondly, your question was answered many times with the according links to tax levels
I'm sorry if I got your gender wrong.

That is not the case. If I ask "When was Napoleon born?" "Check it yourself" and "Apple juice" are not valid answers.
And even if you say a date and other people say different ones, double checking is the right thing to do. So please, cut the "OMG you are not listening to us" thin. If you think I'm a dumb person (you are entitled to have that opinion) just leave the thread.
And for the third time (at best), I don't care about taxes. I've checked the worst scenario and it's fine for me, so I am focusing on different aspects. Only 2 places I'm excluding is Zurich and Geneve (and Ticino Area cause I already have a better idea on pros and cons of living there).

Luzern suggestion by the other member was good, I've been there 2 years ago iirc right before Christmas, I liked it there. But then I totally forgot about its existence
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Regulars on EF are simply fed up with "where should I live", "which is the best bit of Switzerland" posts - how can anyone possibly decide?

If you asked "is village X welcoming to English speakers" then we could answer. But village Y 10km away could be completely different!

I would suggest pick a bunch of potential locations from the map, Google and EF them, then if you can come up with a shortlist try another post with something useful in it.
Exactly. If I'm moving somewhere, I check it out for myself first in any case. What one person likes another person can dislike.
If someone said you can live in Vaduz (purely at random) or you can live in New York. Maybe many would choose New York. I would choose Vaduz. Because that's me.
I would visit New York yes, but I would not want to live there.

If money's no object, which in your case (Ozweego) it seems that way, then check out different places in Switzerland for yourself. Then move where you think you'll be happy.
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Vaud have high taxes, around 12% vs the 7% of Zug or a bit more in Zurich, Argau, etc...

Several people in VD lives or cheat-to-live in Valais for taxes reasons.
Several people in VD live in FR since a few things are cheaper, including taxes.

Yes, it's mostly about the finance and you said that's not your priority. But the rest is so subjective!!!

The rest seems to be a bit "spoon feeding". You fear to learn the language? Come on, it's a public forum full of people working everyday and who can not afford the luxury of so much free time as you. Can you show some considerations as well? You will have plenty of time to learn any language, so use moderation!
Language is not that big of a problem, otherwise I would've chosen Ticino right away. I just know that the German spoken there it's not "high German" so it should be more difficult to learn (I understood by reading other threads in this forum that there are courses). That's the last of the issues, but was worth mentioning.

Main problem for me is figuring out a good position where I can balance all my needs.

The situation I have here in Italy is not that bad : I live in a city with 60k inhabitants, where I have everything I could need on daily basis (supermarkets, enough good restaurants to cover a pretty large spectrum, gym, pool, tailor, shoemaker, couple of really good bars, hospital, train station, cinema). Some of these 10 minutes away from home on foot, others about 15 minutes by car. When I need something more (big event, museum, fancy meal) I can take a 40 minutes ride by train and I'm in Milan. Big airport is 30 minutes away. I like this situation, only 2 problems are :
-It's not Switzerland
- At least 2 hours drive for a decent skiing day, at least 45 minutes to get away from the hurbanization. And in those 45 minutes I still won't reach Berner Oberland
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Exactly. If I'm moving somewhere, I check it out for myself first in any case. What one person likes another person can dislike.
If someone said you can live in Vaduz (purely at random) or you can live in New York. Maybe many would choose New York. I would choose Vaduz. Because that's me.
I would visit New York yes, but I would not want to live there.

If money's no object, which in your case (Ozweego) it seems that way, then check out different places in Switzerland for yourself. Then move where you think you'll be happy.
Problem is : moving is not funny or cheap. It's unlikely I will get it right at first try, but selecting 10 places that may fit my criteria and beginning with the first in alphabetical order doesn't seem smart
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Re: Where should i live in Switzerland?

Why dont you go and...rent somewhere short time?

Seems ironical for a...rentier.
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Problem is : moving is not funny or cheap. It's unlikely I will get it right at first try
Does anyone?
I know that moving is not fun or cheap. But this is the price you have to be to get to the right place where you want to live.
We are moving with then next 6 to 9 months and I'm already anxious about it. I've moved every 5 years or so. I hope the next is the last.
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Why dont you go and...rent somewhere short time?

Seems ironical for a...rentier.
That's step one, step zero is going as a tourist to scout the place (for the second time eventually if I already visited the place). But honestly it's clear to me : shouldn't I gather as much information as possible? I see there are a lot of threads like this one in the forum ("I'm moving to city x to work, should I live in x or city y next to it?). Only difference is that I have more freedom so it's harder.
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That's step one, step zero is going as a tourist to scout the place (for the second time eventually if I already visited the place). But honestly it's clear to me : shouldn't I gather as much information as possible? I see there are a lot of threads like this one in the forum ("I'm moving to city x to work, should I live in x or city y next to it?). Only difference is that I have more freedom so it's harder.
When are you going to take 'step zero'?
It should not be harder. You have free time and you have money. A lot of people do not have so much time to check places out. It is easier for you.
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That's step one, step zero is going as a tourist to scout the place (for the second time eventually if I already visited the place). But honestly it's clear to me : shouldn't I gather as much information as possible? I see there are a lot of threads like this one in the forum ("I'm moving to city x to work, should I live in x or city y next to it?). Only difference is that I have more freedom so it's harder.
There are realistically only a few cities in Switzerland of any reasonable size, and only one that can really call itself a city in terms of population, and that is Zurich. All have great infrastructure and quality of life, all are with a reasonable distance to the other cities, and also to the mountains. It's not rocket science; Google all of the information you can, look at maps, and then go and visit the places personally and spend a little time there instead of expecting people to have some magical insight into where you would feel the most at home.

PS: The reason why people are getting annoyed at your posts is because they are turning vague and repetitive.
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