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Another wiring question...

Thanks for looking in, wanted to install some new lights, the box in Ikea is quite clear, open the screws and put in the respective wires, but on my ceiling the wires are packed into some plastic socket already and there are 4

blue + yellow into one
green
black

attached cpl pics as well....

Not sure if I should get a kind of connector and then connect between the wires and the ikea socket?

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Old 09.09.2017, 12:49
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Re: Another wiring question...

Remove the wires from the current connector and insert into the IKEA one.

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Re: Another wiring question...

Unless you have al the materials at home, I'd walk into an electronics store/electrical company and ask them to make a 20cm long flexible 3x1,5mm2 cable for you with on both sides Cable end sleeves. Just stick/screw those on both sides and you are done without having to hussle with short wires while also having to hold the lamp up close.

(And make sure the power is off )
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Remove the wires from the current connector and insert into the IKEA one.

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Those Ikea connectors are not made to hold two hard cored wires under the same screw.
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Those Ikea connectors are not made to hold two hard cored wires under the same screw.
I have been using them for over 20 years without issue. How would the connector possibly know ?
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Re: Another wiring question...

Ignored edited post - your picture doesn't seem to match the description at all!

I would take the Ikea wires out of their connector and put them in the existing ones, it will give you more room to work and the existing connectors are probably better quality.

You'll need an electrical screwdriver with tester light to find out which is live.

The earth push-fit won't work though, only with solid core. For that, just take the Ikea connector off, break one end unit out and use that.

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Re: Another wiring question...

^^^

did that actually, took out the wire from the ikea box and connected directly to the boxes in the ceiling..... but doesn't seem to get the earthing work yet....thanks a lot for the prompt answers.....much appreciated!
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did that actually, took out the wire from the ikea box and connected directly to the boxes in the ceiling..... but doesn't seem to get the earthing work yet....thanks a lot for the prompt answers.....much appreciated!
For earth see the post directly above you and mind the last sentence
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Re: Another wiring question...

Looks to me like the ceiling connection has no earth -two live cables and two neutral joined together (or is this a neutral and an earth? -it is hard to tell from the photo)
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Looks to me like the ceiling connection has no earth -two live cables and two neutral joined together (or is this a neutral and an earth? -it is hard to tell from the photo)
The earth wire is in the photo (green/yellow) at the back with the grey connector.
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Re: Another wiring question...

There is usually no earth for ceiling lamps (nor lamps in general).

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There is usually no earth for ceiling lamps (nor lamps in general).

Tom
To be more precise:

There is no earth on Class 2 electrical devices which are double insulated.
These have the following symbol on the safety/voltage label:

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What this means is that no single fault can result in the casing or other accessible parts becoming live.

Most Ikea lamps and most other lamps are also Class 2 and so only have a live and a neutral wire.

Some Ikea lamps, especially the cheaper ones (and the one in the OP's photo, are class I and there is a danger that, with one wire failure, the casing or other parts that are accessible could become live. These need an earth which blows the fuse or trips the RCD when such a fault occurs.

The OP should, with his lamp, connect the earth.
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The OP should, with his lamp, connect the earth.
Not easy if there is no earth wire in the ceiling!

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Not easy if there is no earth wire in the ceiling!

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The OP should have a look up into the hole and see if there is a green/yellow wire (the ground). With luck there is one. And with luck they have not cut it off so you can not get at it. In any event, make sure that the power if off when you poke around in the hole.

As mentioned before, you should not use the system of "sugars" to join two wires as they have done. It is better to use a Wago style connector (available at all the brico stores - come in packs of 5-10). You plug the similar colour wires into the slots of one Wago. Make sure you can pull it and it remains in place. That way you have a proper connection that will not loosen over time.

Here is what a typical Wago looks like. They come in grey and very often in clear plastic so you can see if the wire is properly clipped into place. Clear plastic is best.

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The OP should have a look up into the hole and see if there is a green/yellow wire (the ground). With luck there is one.
Please kids, open your eyes or get spectacles.
There is an earth wire in the photo, which is what I stated earlier.

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Please kids, open your eyes or get spectacles.
There is an earth wire in the photo, which is what I stated earlier.
I put on my glasses so now I can see the ground wire hidden behind the beige wires.

You are really eagle eyed. Great news for the OP.

The ground wire is currently stuck in a Wago. The OP should change the other two "sugars" for Wagos and connect up the wires to the new light.

From what I can see from the photo, the OP is still missing wires that will go from the light to the connection in the ceiling - the new Wagos. You can buy short lengths of wire (in the correct colours) from Jumbo (and possibly other stores).
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Re: Another wiring question...

Given the differences in diameter I would strongly suggest Wago lever-lock terminal blocks 12-28AWG, Using diff diameters might cause the thicker one to lower the pressure for attachment on the thinner one, depending on what block you use and the distance between the individual clamping.

(unless he will extend the wires)
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