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What is this socket type; for cookers?

Hi all,

New to Switzerland and just moving into an apartment in Geneva and having to the furnish the whole lot.

In the kitchen I have three sockets - two standard Swiss 3-pins and this guy:



Any info on what it is, and if it is straightforward to use for a free-standing electric cooker would be appreciated!

I showed these pics to a Fust employee today and he looked fairly blank and, granted we didn't understand too many of each other's words but, I gathered that Fust's range of free-standing electric cookers doesn't mate with this socket.
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Re: What is this socket type; for cookers?

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Re: What is this socket type; for cookers?

It can be different things, what is important to know is what fuse is upfront of it, and what does your cooker need, and if any how are the "bridges" placed inside your cooker.

I assume it is 1 fase, 230V since that's what these blue ones are designed for. But you never know for certain what people before you made without measuring.
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Re: What is this socket type; for cookers?

230v 32a Single phase most likely designed for a cooker. It has an earth and neutral and it will do anything from power a welder to charge your phone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indust...gs_and_sockets

See "Europe-wide IEC 60309 system" section, blue 6h

Here is one adapter cable which will turn it into a current standard Swiss domestic socket.

https://www.ricardo.ch/kaufen/handwe...v/an914240836/

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Re: What is this socket type; for cookers?

It's definitely not a standard Swiss socket for normal domestic use.

The high power Swiss socket looks much the same as the regular one but with flat pins.

The three-phase version is a combination of the two (earth in the middle, flat pins on one side, round pins on the other, total five pins).

But as that one is OK for industrial use, I guess there's no reason it can't be in an apartment, it's just odd.

What plug does your cooker currently have on it, and what is the rating? That's the missing part - if it's three phase, then you can't use that socket. If it's single phase L-N-E then you probably can with an appropriate adapter if the fusebox rating is high enough.
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Re: What is this socket type; for cookers?

As long as your hob/cooker/oven supports single phase 230V operation you should be able to connect nearly anything at that baby. At least anything which uses less than 7360 Watts. But to be sure also check the rating of the breaker, that one should also be 32 Amp.

I am just unsure if this is 100% to code, as normally such appliances are connected permanently.
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As long as your hob/cooker/oven supports single phase 230V operation you should be able to connect nearly anything at that baby. At least anything which uses less than 7360 Watts. But to be sure also check the rating of the breaker, that one should also be 32 Amp.

I am just unsure if this is 100% to code, as normally such appliances are connected permanently.
I know most countries in Europe have a maximum allowed rating for a fuse/schalter in a building with housing function when it concerns an endgroup (Holland 16A, for example) I'd be surprised if 32A would be allowed in Switzerland (tho you never know, and the Dutch seem sometimes a bit paranoid with all their regulations)

It should not be against the code to use any approved material which offers the equal or better amount of safety since codes offer a level of minimum requirements
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Re: What is this socket type; for cookers?

Thank you very much all for your answers, you've shed a lot of light!

To some of your points - I currently do not have a cooker. I wanted to make sure that I knew what I bought could be connected before buying it. To confirm - any 230V, single phase cooker can be hooked up to this plug?

Presumably the male connector for this is a non-standard part and any electrician fitting the cooker may need to order this? I'm just trying to have everything prepared in advance so the electrician only needs to come once to fit it.
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Re: What is this socket type; for cookers?

looks like the socket is surprised when you open it,
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Re: What is this socket type; for cookers?

To me, this looks like a European CEE socket for camping/boats. Here is one on Amazon:

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As long as your hob/cooker/oven supports single phase 230V operation you should be able to connect nearly anything at that baby. At least anything which uses less than 7360 Watts. But to be sure also check the rating of the breaker, that one should also be 32 Amp.

I am just unsure if this is 100% to code, as normally such appliances are connected permanently.
I can't remember seeing one in a residential kitchen or even laundry room. I've seen them in hobby rooms or garages/sheds for connecting things like saws and lathes.

As long as the breaker/fuse/wiring is up to the rated capacity of 32A... possibly not illegal, but I'm pretty sure the inspector would raise an eyebrow.
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I'd be surprised if 32A would be allowed in Switzerland
Of course it's allowed, it's a standard industrial socket!

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Presumably the male connector for this is a non-standard part
Wrong, very standard, we have many at work and can be purchased anywhere.

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Of course it's allowed, it's a standard industrial socket!



Wrong, very standard, we have many at work and can be purchased anywhere.

Tom
Thanks for the info! Perhaps I was meaning more non-standard in the context of a residential kitchen and being wired up to an electric oven. Basically my question I think is: can I expect any electrician to be able to use this outlet to 'plug in' an electric oven?
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Of course it's allowed, it's a standard industrial socket!


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You can raise your eyebrow, but you answer to a question I never asked.

I am not saying the connector on itself is disallowed (it is perfectly legale, no discussion there), I am raising the question if Switzerland like many other countries has a maximum rate for endgroups inside a house (the Netherlands 16A, Belgium 20A. England on the other hand allows up to atleast 32A since 1 fase installations are the norm. I am allowed to use 600A wall sockets since they fit all the rulings, but am I allowed to actually have 600A wiring through my house and a 600A endgroup in my cabinet?

In many countries if you want 1 fase 32A you have to use 2 endgroups to do this.
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can I expect any electrician to be able to use this outlet to 'plug in' an electric oven?
Yes, as long as it's single phase.

Most Swiss units are 3P, however.

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am I allowed to actually have 600A wiring through my house and a 600A endgroup in my cabinet?
Yes, but it will cost you.

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Thanks for the info! Perhaps I was meaning more non-standard in the context of a residential kitchen and being wired up to an electric oven. Basically my question I think is: can I expect any electrician to be able to use this outlet to 'plug in' an electric oven?
- You have not yet answered the question about the fuse

Your 32A wallsocket might have a fuse of 16/20/25/32A If you don't know this you also don't know what to buy.

And to others, sure there's a logical expectation, but al electricians and engineers should know that assumption is the mother of all up's
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Yes.

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Would it be to much asked to have a pointer to this ruling?
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Would it be to much asked to have a pointer to this ruling?
What ruling?

You can buy any service you like here.

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I am allowed to use 600A wall sockets since they fit all the rulings, but am I allowed to actually have 600A wiring through my house and a 600A endgroup in my cabinet?
If the wiring, conduit, fusing were to spec, sure.

But you'd probably need a special building permit for the crane, arc furnace, or open pit mining digger.

Not to mention getting the EWZ to install a service to cover that.
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