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Old 24.09.2017, 09:34
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Heater reader

Hey everyone...

I live in the mountains now and I turned on my heater slightly to keep my home around 19 - 20 degrees..

Anyway, I am Brasilian... that said I have no clue how to read the heater little thingy there glued on it!

I read it with my Landlord when I arrived but I dont remember which number is the one I need.

I looked in the manual and I have a clue ... and my final question is... how do I do the math of how much I will spend? Whats the variable?

My heating is included in Nebenkosts, but if I use it above what I pay already I have to pay more...

She said the calculation is pretty accurate... but I'd like to keep saving on my budget!

How do i calculate that? Anyone know the variable?
I have no clue even what that number means...

Thanks for nice inputs
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Old 24.09.2017, 15:23
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Re: Heater reader

This is the way it works: the heater meter is attached permanently to the radiator with an electric spot weld, so it cannot be exchanged or fiddled with.

The landlord reads all the meters at the beginning of the accounting period, and notes the numbers on all the readers.

The landlord reads all the meters again at the end of the accounting period. The differences are proportional to the heat used by each radiator.

The landlord can then calculate the unit cost for each unit and he can then issue a bill for each radiator per accounting period.

The total cost of your heating is then due to be paid a month or two after he issues the annual bills.

These annual bills can come as a nasty surprise, and it is worth opening a second account with Postfinance/bank, and save Fr 200 per month.
After a year you will know more about how expensive the extra costs are (Nebenkosten) and you can change your savings plan accordingly.

Generally you can save money by wearing extra clothes during the Winter, and keep the heat adjusted to a lower level ~ 18 or 19 deg C.
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Old 24.09.2017, 20:13
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Re: Heater reader

Sbrinz, I don't think that is what OP wanted to know.

I have one of these readers in my downstairs office (as it's separate from the rest of the flat-heating-system)
Landlord asks me to tell her the value each year. It then shows three numbers (it changes between the numbers constantly) for example:

0
2
o6088

(this year not the best example as the thing is broken apparently, LOL)
Landlord says the o6088 is the actual counter.

I have NO idea how to find out myself what exactly the change in that number within a year means / how to calculate whether I use a lot or not during the year either.

So maybe somebody knows?
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Sbrinz, I don't think that is what OP wanted to know.

I have one of these readers in my downstairs office (as it's separate from the rest of the flat-heating-system)
Landlord asks me to tell her the value each year. It then shows three numbers (it changes between the numbers constantly) for example:

0
2
o6088

(this year not the best example as the thing is broken apparently, LOL)
Landlord says the o6088 is the actual counter.

I have NO idea how to find out myself what exactly the change in that number within a year means / how to calculate whether I use a lot or not during the year either.

So maybe somebody knows?
Very roughly explained.

It measures how much heat your system produces over time, and thus gives a number which tells your total share in the bill for the whole building. The exact formula might depend on square meters, how much is taken for (if even) central spaces, perhaps correction for having a down or topfloor and thus less heat from your neighbours compared to living in the centre of a building.

The exact formula used for your building can only be told to you by either your landlord or your energy supplier. Most often it is not a simple case of (example) 20 rappen per number.
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Re: Heater reader

If it's stuck on the radiator directly I suppose you have a heat allocator, which does not measure directly the heat consumption. Just to give you an idea the older versions used evaporation from little tubes to measure how much heat is being emitted by the radiator.
The total costs for heating are divided proportionally to the readings of the allocators. In the formula there will also be the area of every radiator (the allocator doesn't know how big the radiator is) and adjustment coefficients for the heating coming from the pipes and stairs and heat loss which varies in different apartments.
It's smart to include a base rate in the nebenkosten, otherwise you have the usual smartass turning off the radiator and living off the neighbors' heat which will have spend much more.
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If it's stuck on the radiator directly I suppose you have a heat allocator, which does not measure directly the heat consumption. Just to give you an idea the older versions used evaporation from little tubes to measure how much heat is being emitted by the radiator.
The total costs for heating are divided proportionally to the readings of the allocators. In the formula there will also be the area of every radiator (the allocator doesn't know how big the radiator is) and adjustment coefficients for the heating coming from the pipes and stairs and heat loss which varies in different apartments.
It's smart to include a base rate in the nebenkosten, otherwise you have the usual smartass turning off the radiator and living off the neighbors' heat which will have spend much more.
Why is that a smartass approach? You could equally say that the other person has the heating too high.

Live in a flat with Swiss pensioners below you and even turning off the heating completely leaves it too warm for a Brit brought up in an old house!
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Re: Heater reader

Tks for all the inputs!
I talked to my boyfriend and he said there is a formula that depends on the floor you live, who is over or under and all these details.
He said I can ask the landlord a parameter from last measure so i have an idea...
I live in the upper floor, so nobody is over my aptm.
My apartment is so small that if I cook is all heated already lol.

_Anyway... I still think 19 degrees is a bit cold for me... just during the night is ok... otherwise even wearing more cloth is still a bit cold... 21 is ideal I guess...

Not so cold outside yet... so I will see how it goes..

tks a lot
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