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House Renovation - Kanton Schwyz

So, after 5 years of wishing to renovate, but being deterred by Swiss prices and unable to get an architect to "buy into" our vision, we are finally underway!


A chance discussion (actually a frustrated and desperate plea for help) with Swiss friends got us chatting with a retired Swiss architect, who is focussed on saving us as much cash as possible, who loves to recycle, and who loves that we love the character of our old wooden Swiss house.


2 weeks to work through plans, and then he gathered up various tradesmen he's worked with over the years, sat us all down at my kitchen table, and a 5 week (!!!!) project plan has been agreed for this scope of works:


  1. removal of wall between 2nd floor kitchenette and master bathroom, inclusive of removal of all kitchen appliances & cabinets for reuse.
  2. removal of floor to ceiling stone in master bathroom
  3. removal of fake wooden beams throughout the 2nd floor living room
  4. removal of wall between the 3rd floor master bedroom and child's bedroom/storage (junk) room
  5. creation of new bath, shower, sink within the now enlarged master bedroom for an open plan bathroom/bedroom effect (there is already a separate toilet & sink on that level as well)
  6. install new floors and ceilings throughout all effected rooms and re-panel walls as required
  7. install all plumbing and electrics needed for new kitchen room (in the footprint of the old bathroom)
  8. install all new plumbing and electrics needed for new guest toilet room (in the old pantry space)
  9. create and install large window in the new kitchen
  10. install all old kitchen cabinets and appliances plus extra kitchen cabinets as needed
  11. supply & install new stone kitchen counter tops


In short, we get a kitchen that is 5 times the size of what we had, and a 20% increase in our lounge/dining room - perfect for our entertaining lifestyle. We get a bathroom that makes sense for us, rather than randomly stuck on the living room level. We get more light, cross ventilation, and an upgrade on the hotch-potch DIY wood work and nasty cheap laminate patching that has littered these 2 levels of the house.


Am happy to share recommendations of the trades companies we've been using. The quality of the work has been very, very good and the pricing (given the expected Swiss loading) has been very fair.


And in the meantime, here are some learnings that may be useful to others:


1. We don't have a building site "lacky" and given there's been someone to clean and tidy on every other reno project I've had, I never thought to ask about this. It means the building site is very, very messy. I spend the first few days swearing profusely as I picked up bits of rain soaked debris from the road and driveway that had missed landed in the rubbish skip. I have my fingers crossed for the appliances that weren't covered up and were left subject to quantities of building dust.


2. Check whether the tradesmen you engage, will be the ones doing the actual work. And if they're sending staff, check experience levels. We had one week of only apprentices on site - nice that they are learning here but it slowed progress, and many reworks were needed to overcome silly mistakes.


3. Give granular instructions of anything you want to retain. The demolition squad did a great job of carefully removing and stacking the bath, shower cubicle, mirrored cabinet and radiator, which had me excited for the prospect of "pin money" through ricardo.ch sales. Overnight all of these had been turfed into the skip and taken away, because I didn't specify beyond "remove and reuse bathroom fixtures!!" Likewise all the bathroom spotlights that were upgraded last year, and all the new lightbulbs.....gone. Curtain rails, towel hooks....gone. Electrical sockets, power points, casings....gone. And only bemusement from the tradesman - why would I want to keep these old things when I can now have brand spanking new stuff?!


4. I don't know if it's just our crew, or if it's a Swiss thing. But I've had significant resistance to any changes, even if minor, to the plan. Given we've removed whole walls, it's changed how we can envisage the usability of space, which as a simple example, immediately means we've needed to re-factor placement of electrical sockets. Luckily done before walls have been repaneled, but it meant a lot of muttering and head shaking from our otherwise fabulous sparky! I would be going into even more precise detail for the plan (down to for example - place the toilet pan 40cm from the left wall) if I was doing this project again.


5. None of the tradesmen have expected cups of tea every hour. Our guys will start at 7.30, they take an hour for lunch, they work till 5.30 or 6. No breaks which means the stashes of coffee and biscuits and cake and Friday afternoons beer I'd bought beforehand, are having to go into my stomach instead. On hotter days or when the work has been particularly dusty, I've managed to force cold drinks and biscuits into them. Fascinating!


As I type this we're into week 3, and well on track to meet the 5 week deadline. Good luck to anyone else conducting renovation projects!
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Old 16.10.2017, 16:35
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Re: House Renovation - Kanton Schwyz

Your point 4. is a very typically Swiss thing. Sucking of air in through clench teeth usually greets any deviation from previously agreed plans and schedules.

Initial “impossible” reactions eventually melt away after a few hours of careful consideration...
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Good luck to anyone else conducting renovation projects!
Not us. We never got past the 'thinking about it' stage.

Excellent post though.

I assume you took lots of 'before' pictures so you can compare them with the 'after' pictures?

Share on here if you feel brave!
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Re: House Renovation - Kanton Schwyz

Mid-renovation here too. I was somewhat shocked at the contents of the roof (as in tiles,insulation etc) sailing off the roof down to basement level skip. The hole drillers managed to cut through a hot water pipe which was mended the same day by the plumber & they also cut through an electric wire so we had no lights in the hallway for a week, mould from the humidity with no heating & rather chilly, but otherwise touch wood...
The worst is yet to come with drilling to make a stairwell. Indoor scaffolding has been up a month come Thursday which I haven't tried pole dancing on as I'd get rust burns.
Same as you with the tea etc on standby but they work non-stop most of the time. I'm keeping a close eye on what's happening. The outdoor scaffolders have thrown fag ends all over but the rest are more or less house-trained. Each bunch is supposed to clean up after themselves. Our planned finish date is for christmas but more likely to go into January as a few things seem to be late compared to the plan.
If you make any changes to the initial plan you are likely to get billed extra for it, even if it was something they hadn't noticed like the ventilation in the bathroom (or lack of it).
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Re: House Renovation - Kanton Schwyz

Just remembered another nugget of learning.


Here in central CH at least, the plumber agrees with you on the fixtures and sizes needed. Then creates an offer for his services, plus a separate offer for the actual bits and pieces. In central CH there are only 2 large plumbing suppliers - Sabag and Sanitas Troesch. The drill is that the plumber has the expertise to know exactly what fixtures and fittings you need - you can visit the supplier showrooms though to confirm colors and styles. You cannot buy directly from these suppliers - all orders are through the plumber who happens to get a cut of the action. Being the little meddler that I am though, I decided against the plumber's champagne taste recommendations for a CHF 3,000 shower base, the 12,000 shower cabin, the 800 (each) taps, the 1800 bathroom vanity cabinet etc. I was able to slash the costs, and also insist on some items I'd purchased via ricardo.ch and my new favourite site bauteilclick.ch










I may not be the plumber's favourite client, but at least I don't have to sell a kidney....
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Here in central CH at least, the plumber agrees with you on the fixtures and sizes needed. Then creates an offer for his services, plus a separate offer for the actual bits and pieces. In central CH there are only 2 large plumbing suppliers - Sabag and Sanitas Troesch. The drill is that the plumber has the expertise to know exactly what fixtures and fittings you need - you can visit the supplier showrooms though to confirm colors and styles. You cannot buy directly from these suppliers - all orders are through the plumber who happens to get a cut of the action. Being the little meddler that I am though, I decided against the plumber's champagne taste recommendations for a CHF 3,000 shower base, the 12,000 shower cabin, the 800 (each) taps, the 1800 bathroom vanity cabinet etc. I was able to slash the costs, and also insist on some items I'd purchased via ricardo.ch and my new favourite site bauteilclick.ch
I've noticed that Hornbach sells a lot of the Sanitas Troesch bathroom fittings. Perhaps not the 12,0000 shower cabins but certainly lots of the taps etc and they're much cheaper.
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Re: House Renovation - Kanton Schwyz

Smileygreenbins,
sounds like it is going well! Did you have to get approval for any of this, for eg the windows? And does it work out to be a per square metre price for the quote? or every job separately? I would love to see some before and afters too, especially since I read that you wanted to keep the character of your old Swiss house. It seems it is hard to come by architects with this vision.
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I've noticed that Hornbach sells a lot of the Sanitas Troesch bathroom fittings. Perhaps not the 12,0000 shower cabins but certainly lots of the taps etc and they're much cheaper.

Indeed, many of the brands at Sanitas Troesch (eg: Grohe) are widely available online and from the "big box" hardware stores. Definitely worth shopping around if you can avoid having your plumber hold you to ransom (eg: use me, use only my supplier!)
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Smileygreenbins,
sounds like it is going well! Did you have to get approval for any of this, for eg the windows? And does it work out to be a per square metre price for the quote? or every job separately? I would love to see some before and afters too, especially since I read that you wanted to keep the character of your old Swiss house. It seems it is hard to come by architects with this vision.
Happy to provide pics but will wait till work complete - right now you'll just be seeing before, and then a LOT of debris and dust....


Approval for the window was via an informal chat with the Germeinde after formal chats with all of our (very friendly and co-operative) neighbours - there was already a window in place and this is just a larger version.


Cost calculations from tradesmen seem to be by the hour - an estimation of how many man days, and how many tradesmen x hourly rate; plus contingency percentages thrown in as well; plus we've seen the "landed" cost for all materials. The plumber, electrician, and builder all provided their own, very detailed quotes.


Sadly, my wonderful architect goes back into retirement after this project, which is a shame as he's clearly very skilled and is loving this assignment - he's treating it like its precious and hard earned spend for his own family home; and is amazing at cracking the whip to ensure constant progress.....

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Re: House Renovation - Kanton Schwyz

We renovated this house back in the dark days before the dawn of Hornbach, before the other DIY stores started carrying anything other than junk. And so we were stuck with tradespeople holding us to ransom.

(She says, casting her eye over the CHF 200 soap dish, the CHF 500 towel bar, the CHF 1200 faucet, the 2K mirror. All now available at Hornbach, the very same things, for a small fraction of those prices. )

So future renovation-induced-ulcer-sufferers... If you find yourself being held to ransom by a tradesperson (as in, you need their good will for permits) push for a deeper discount off the list price. 3% here, 4% there is laughable - the tradesperson should be able to get you 30% at a minimum.
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(She says, casting her eye over the CHF 200 soap dish, the CHF 500 towel bar, the CHF 1200 faucet, the 2K mirror. All now available at Hornbach, the very same things, for a small fraction of those prices. )

We put our foot down over the little chrome holder for the shower squeegee at CHF 150 or whatever it was.

This time we're doing it all ourselves where possible. Not a major renovation but updating a few rooms.
What I want to find is a supplier of quality kitchens that let you fit them yourselves.
My wife doesn't want an Ikea one.
I've done a kitchen before including all the plumbing and electrics and it was actually pretty straightforward.
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What I want to find is a supplier of quality kitchens that let you fit them yourselves.
My wife doesn't want an Ikea one.


My husband has a preconceived notion that IKEA kitchens are all crap. But when you study the fancy renovation and decorator sites, they're increasingly using IKEA cabinets, and tarting up if necessary with custom door fronts & handles.


Whole kitchens frequently come up on ricardo (check out the demonstrator models), and there are multiple suppliers advertising there for supply only. Fust is perhaps another option? There's a very good quality manufacturer in Zurich who will supply only (starts with L, and they made our kitchen, but I'm not at home currently so don't recall the name, sorry!)
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Re: House Renovation - Kanton Schwyz

Another useful observation on this renovation project. None of the tradesmen carry a first aid kit.


I've just treated the 3rd "nail through boot" injury, which was another chance to espouse cleaning up every day on the damn site, but it occurs to me that it's a very long way for an ambulance to come up the mountain if a more serious injury occurred....and in the meantime I must add more bandaids, wound dressings and bandages to my shopping list....
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My husband has a preconceived notion that IKEA kitchens are all crap. But when you study the fancy renovation and decorator sites, they're increasingly using IKEA cabinets, and tarting up if necessary with custom door fronts & handles.


Whole kitchens frequently come up on ricardo (check out the demonstrator models), and there are multiple suppliers advertising there for supply only. Fust is perhaps another option? There's a very good quality manufacturer in Zurich who will supply only (starts with L, and they made our kitchen, but I'm not at home currently so don't recall the name, sorry!)
Our last kitchen had 75cm deep work surfaces and units (and drawers etc to match). We'd like the same in the next one but Ikea, for example, only does the standard 60cm deep units

When you get home, I'd love to know the name of the Zurich supplier you mentioned - thanks!
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If you have the patience you can find display kitchens and bathroom fittings from the major suppliers at slashed prices. If the units fit without a complete re-work you can save a bundle. However, you must be flexible about the colour and design.

Living in the premises while renovating is stressful but I think you cannot keep your eye on things unless you are on site.




I am still quite shocked to see workers on the roof without safety gear.
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When you get home, I'd love to know the name of the Zurich supplier you mentioned - thanks!

Piatti. It's been highly durable over the last 10 years, and given the cost of a new kitchen, we'll be using it all over again with some extra cabinet additions this time around...
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If you have the patience you can find display kitchens and bathroom fittings from the major suppliers at slashed prices. If the units fit without a complete re-work you can save a bundle. However, you must be flexible about the colour and design.

Living in the premises while renovating is stressful but I think you cannot keep your eye on things unless you are on site.
Homeowners always complain about getting hosed by tradesman with exorbitant prices and mark-ups (which is commonly the case). But on the flip side - as a tradesman working in a client's home, allowing the client to purchase and provide materials, fittings, etc. is nearly always a recipe for disaster. They rarely get the right item, or correct quantity, etc. At the same time, a good tradesman won't want to install crap quality products. Home stores like Hornbach don't always carry items of the same level of quality as a wholesaler, even if the brand may be the same.

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Homeowners always complain about getting hosed by tradesman with exorbitant prices and mark-ups (which is commonly the case). But on the flip side - as a tradesman working in a client's home, allowing the client to purchase and provide materials, fittings, etc. is nearly always a recipe for disaster. They rarely get the right item, or correct quantity, etc. At the same time, a good tradesman won't want to install crap quality products. Home stores like Hornbach don't always carry items of the same level of quality as a wholesaler, even if the brand may be the same.
For some products yes, but others have the same name, the same part number (difficult to tell sometimes as S-Troesch have their own part numbering system and go to lengths to erase manufacturers part numbers from drawings and other documentation).

One example for a tap:

S-Troesch CHF 368
Hornbach CHF 266

Sometimes S-Troesch isn't cheaper but isn't it nice to be able to shop around?
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