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Spots on Wall- landlord now saying paint whole room?

The facts: There were some stains on the roof of our kitchen and a mark left by a kitchen trolley on one of the walls. During the handover, we stated that we should not be expected to paint everything and agreed to 2m area having stains and signed it off as such(the 2m). To note that the apartment was not newly painted when we moved in and had marks in other places.

We followed up on the return of our deposit and got a cryptic reply from the agent saying they are waiting on quote from the painter and of course the question is can they cover the 2m without painting everything over so it doesn't look different?

We haven't responded yet and I would be grateful for any thoughts/inputs on the situation. Can they just put up whatever quote they fancy and expect us to pay?
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Old 20.10.2017, 14:13
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The facts: There were some stains on the roof of our kitchen and a mark left by a kitchen trolley on one of the walls. During the handover, we stated that we should not be expected to paint everything and agreed to 2m area having stains and signed it off as such(the 2m). To note that the apartment was not newly painted when we moved in and had marks in other places.

We followed up on the return of our deposit and got a cryptic reply from the agent saying they are waiting on quote from the painter and of course the question is can they cover the 2m without painting everything over so it doesn't look different?

We haven't responded yet and I would be grateful for any thoughts/inputs on the situation. Can they just put up whatever quote they fancy and expect us to pay?
Depends on the age of the paint, it should last 7 years so if it was repainted 5 years ago your responsible for 2/7 of the cost.
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Depends on the age of the paint, it should last 7 years so if it was repainted 5 years ago your responsible for 2/7 of the cost.
Correction: 8 years or 15 years depending on the kind of paint.

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Old 20.10.2017, 14:28
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Re: Spots on Wall- landlord now saying paint whole room?

Had some water leakage from outside/above recently in one room. They painted the area affected (only) and no difference to be seen from the rest of the room (last painted in 2011)
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Re: Spots on Wall- landlord now saying paint whole room?

Yes, but my question remains- do we have to take them at their word?
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Yes, but my question remains- do we have to take them at their word?
Are you a member of the Zurich MV at all? If so you can discuss it with them.

Do you have liability insurance? It should cover the cost of the painting less a smallish deductible. They would probably argue the case to reduce their liability also.
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Yes, but my question remains- do we have to take them at their word?
You can ask to see the quote/bill, if they do not want to show such then I would not pay.

And nope, they do not have to go with the cheapest painter possible, but prices should be fair and not exceeding normal market prices hugely. (to prevent them from having a nephew doing it for 250,- an hour...)
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Re: Spots on Wall- landlord now saying paint whole room?

Maybe too late now after handover .. but i just did it myself last time.

It was the kids playroom, lots of little marks of dirt and crayons etc.. I didn't even bother to patch it.

Approx 25sqm room, 25chf for the paint and a morning of effort.. Done.



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I'm going to do same where I am now, I'm not moving out but parts are looking grubby, I'll freshen it up for my own benefit.
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Re: Spots on Wall- landlord now saying paint whole room?

How long have you lived on the premises?
I may be wrong but I believe that once you have reached 10 years you have the right to request that your dwelling be repainted at the expense of the owner. So if you have been 10 or more years there and never had the paint redone you could always argue that any retouches required be covered by this.
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How long have you lived on the premises?
I may be wrong but I believe that once you have reached 10 years you have the right to request that your dwelling be repainted at the expense of the owner. So if you have been 10 or more years there and never had the paint redone you could always argue that any retouches required be covered by this.
It's 8 years for walls.

Up to that max. the tenant is liable for a fraction of the full invoice so if she's been in 4 years she pays half. See this table for the numbers of years each part of the apartment is supposed to last.

The OP is asking whether she has to accept whatever quote the landlord gets for repainting the wall but, as has been said before, she should contact her insurance company who will most likely get involved and ask for a number of quotes.

Failing that, she can become a member of the Mietverband / Asloca and get their advice.
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Re: Spots on Wall- landlord now saying paint whole room?

It depends. In some cases, you can paint a small area without it being visible; in other cases, you can’t. From an aesthetic point of view, a big white spot is only marginally better than a big dark spot, so if they can’t make it more or less invisible, yes, the whole wall will need to be repainted.

As noted above, however, you only have to pay a fraction of the costs based on the lifespan of 8 or 15 years.
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