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Well, that's pretty much all of your posts, then.

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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

I'm doing all kinds of speculatin'.

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Porn?
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So, do tell, please.
A bit more than one month rent. I forwarded it to a lawyer.

Anyway, I’ll have to find a new tenant. That will cost me more. C'est la vie.
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

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I agree. this thread is useless without pictures.
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People tend to be offending in a coward and shameful way, and when one replies this without acting like an earthworm themselves, one is called aggressive.

I did not ask for an analysis of my personality. But if it’s part of the customs here, I try to integrate.
Sorry OP, but if you wanted a simple answer you should've presented your problem in a less pompous way. What was it with all that mystery and self-importance in your first post?
Yes, people will make all sort of speculations based on that first post only. It's an open forum, if you can't cope just click away.
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

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Given the type of issues and paranoia, I'd say more likely a cannabis farm
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Sorry OP, but if you wanted a simple answer you should've presented your problem in a less pompous way. What was it with all that mystery and self-importance in your first post?
Yes, people will make all sort of speculations based on that first post only. It's an open forum, if you can't cope just click away.
What do you mean?

Do you mean that I stated twice I won’t let it happen, and the first response was still about how to give they key to someone else?

Or was it something else?
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Do you mean that I stated twice I won’t let it happen, and the first response was still about how to give they key to someone else?


Please re-read my post concerning normal and sane.

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What do you mean?

Do you mean that I stated twice I won’t let it happen, and the first response was still about how to give they key to someone else?

Or was it something else?
Oh goodness, I'm too tired for this discussion. If it's not evident to you I don't know...Anyways, let's get over it.

Did you ask the landlord what exactly are they supposed to do in your apartment and how long it will take? What if the whole operation won't take longer than 5 or 10 minutes (we had the same problem a couple of years back, minus the flooding) Do you think these guys, the workers, are thieves? Or everyone is a thief now? Including your...friends?

I really wonder how some people live.
Really, if you were in possession of some invaluable goods (paintings, jewlery etc) or information, licensing or copyrights, you wouldn't have asked these things on a forum.
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

I understand that many participants have serious mental problems here, and difficulties with reading.

This post is for the rest.

1. The lawyer told me to tell the landlord it’s not good.
2. The landlord told me I would have to pay the costs of the work based on: Art 257h OR
3. The lawyer told me to let them in.
4. I told the lawyer this is not logical, why would I have to pay the cost of a work that’s not done.

Swiss law is almost always logical so I read most of Art 257 and 259.

It does not say I have to pay. It says I won’t have claims. As there is no urgent re-sale happening, and I can move out in the spring, considering nothing bad happens, there is no reason to rush, and there is no damage.

I think I need a better legal insurance, or at least lawyer who can read.

It’s a bit sad if Google Translate beats the legal insurance.
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Oh goodness, I'm too tired for this discussion. If it's not evident to you I don't know...Anyways, let's get over it.

Did you ask the landlord what exactly are they supposed to do in your apartment and how long it will take? What if the whole operation won't take longer than 5 or 10 minutes (we had the same problem a couple of years back, minus the flooding) Do you think these guys, the workers, are thieves? Or everyone is a thief now? Including your...friends?

I really wonder how some people live.
Really, if you were in possession of some invaluable goods (paintings, jewlery etc) or information, licensing or copyrights, you wouldn't have asked these things on a forum.
It takes one or two days.

The fact I asked for help tells you only two things.

1. I did not have a similar issue in the past.
2. My close friends are not lawyers.

That’s all you know. It doesn’t tell you anything else.
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Old 11.11.2017, 20:21
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It takes one or two days.

The fact I asked for help tells you only two things.

1. I did not have a similar issue in the past.
2. My close friends are not lawyers.

That’s all you know. It doesn’t tell you anything else.
The fact that you asked for help implies that you might actually be willing to accept input.

Evidently this is not the case.

Your inflexibility must make interactions with humans a lot of fun.
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Old 11.11.2017, 21:06
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I understand that many participants have serious mental problems here, and difficulties with reading.......

It’s a bit sad if Google Translate beats the legal insurance.
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Old 11.11.2017, 21:35
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I think I need a better legal insurance, or at least lawyer who can read.
Have fun, I´m sure that legal insurance will cancel on you soon.

First time renting anything?
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Old 11.11.2017, 22:34
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It’s a bit sad if Google Translate beats the legal insurance.
Google Translate! That's an idea. Maybe if I run all your posts in this thread through Google Translate I shall understand what you talking about. I know all the words but cannot make sense of it at all.
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I understand that many participants have serious mental problems here, and difficulties with reading.

This post is for the rest.

1. The lawyer told me to tell the landlord it’s not good.
2. The landlord told me I would have to pay the costs of the work based on: Art 257h OR
3. The lawyer told me to let them in.
4. I told the lawyer this is not logical, why would I have to pay the cost of a work that’s not done.

Swiss law is almost always logical so I read most of Art 257 and 259.

It does not say I have to pay. It says I won’t have claims. As there is no urgent re-sale happening, and I can move out in the spring, considering nothing bad happens, there is no reason to rush, and there is no damage.

I think I need a better legal insurance, or at least lawyer who can read.

It’s a bit sad if Google Translate beats the legal insurance.
Hi Amanda

If you do receive any bill(s) in this matter, whether for payments due to the landlord for not letting the workers into your flat, or for lawyers' fees and later for court fees, or perhaps or damages to the property resulting from the repairs not being done, or for anything extra that results from this when you move out of your flat, would you please let us know what you were charged, by whom, and for what, with which explanation?

On the other hand, if you are right and the warnings of the users on this thread turn out to be unfounded and misguided, it could be that you don't owe anyone a cent in this matter, and that you will easily find another flat, and quickly get your deposit back from the current landlord. In that case, please also let us know that, too, when the whole thing is over. Then readers here, including me, could learn something from your experience.

In the meantime, I wish you all the best for your operation.

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Hi Amanda

If you do receive any bill(s) in this matter, whether for payments due to the landlord for not letting the workers into your flat...

Then readers here, including me, could learn something from your experience.

In the meantime, I wish you all the best for your operation.
Hello doropfiz,

There are possible cases in addition to my reasons:

* Someone goes abroad for two months. As far as I know, it’s not forbidden.
* Someone has a family member in a critical condition who needs peace
* Etc

I’m not saying there is no other law that can be applied to this case. I didn’t read the hundreds of articles. I read only the one the landlord mentioned and another linked article. In my understanding, it made no sense in the context.

It doesn’t say the tenant should pay.

I’m almost sure they will send me a bill, and I’m almost sure I won’t have to pay it.

It’s not the first time in my life when I refuse being an inanimate object.

Yes, I’ll tell you here how it goes.

Thank you for the wish.

I received help here, and I hope my actions may help others in the future.
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It takes one or two days.

The fact I asked for help tells you only two things.

1. I did not have a similar issue in the past.
2. My close friends are not lawyers.

That’s all you know. It doesn’t tell you anything else.
This is not a lawyers' forum either. To sum it up for you: only a couple of people could somehow relate to your "confidentiality" problems, and nobody here was in the position of refusing access to the landlord to do some necessary work in their rented apartments.

I'll tell you something - maybe your friends are not lawyers, but you could have asked one instead of making this show on a public forum. It is only logical than someone in such a desperate need of let's call it discretion, would prefer a private discussion with a professional who really knows what he/she's talking about and who would have pointed you to the right direction in probably 10 minutes*.

I believe you have bigger problems than the apartment and the surgery.
I really wish you good health.

*I read you consulted one eventually, so the rest of your posts were simply meant to stir people up. Hope you're just a troll, for your own sake.

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Hi Amanda
If you do receive any bill(s) in this matter, whether for payments due to the landlord for not letting the workers into your flat, or for lawyers' fees and later for court fees, or perhaps or damages to the property resulting from the repairs not being done, or for anything extra that results from this when you move out of your flat, would you please let us know what you were charged, by whom, and for what, with which explanation?
I bought a camera. I went to the hospital. The surgeries went great.

When I came home, I knew in a minute the repairs were done in the other flats. My heating panels were crying loud. They were full of air. I had to turn off the heating to be able to sleep.

One or two weeks ago I realized I forgot about the air issue. After a while, the air disappeared. The heating panels are not loud anymore.

I haven’t received any extra bill. They have my LSV. They took the usual amount. There was no letter or email either.

I’m not much surprised. One doesn’t have to be a lawyer to read the laws. They consist of sentences. Sentences contain words. I didn’t even have to understand German to read one thanks to Google Translate.

The law they tried to use to treat me was not a basis for a fine. I guess they didn’t expect I would read it. Considering the reactions here, bluffing is a safe bet for them most of the time.

In my experiences, choosing the path of the least resistance leads to places where I don’t want to be.

My future apartment is an open question. So far it was me who said "no".

In the beginning, I thought to rent a single house in the Goldbach area.

One of the worst jokes on Earth is when you read on Homegate: "zentral, ruhig". If I understand these words right, I think one who writes down both of them about the same flat should go to jail.

Anyway, if Pinocchio was a real-estate agent in Switzerland, his nose would reach the Moon. For example, you’re searching for an apartment in Küsnacht. The site says it’s in Küsnacht. Then it turns out it’s in Forch.

I visited one flat with a real estate agent. It was the most beautiful one with megaschön shiny walls. Unfortunately, it was next to Bergstrasse. I could hear every single car even with closed windows.

I visited about thirty other places alone. I saw them only from outside. I wanted to hear the noise. I found only three or four "ruhig" places. Only one of them had a view of the lake. But I couldn’t visit that one. I was late. Someone rented it already.

The rest were next to a 50km/h road, or the location didn’t look special.

My flat in Zürich costs five times less than most of the flats/houses I visited in Küsnacht, and it’s more silent. I began to understand how lucky I was with this one.

Then it crossed my mind I’m introverted enough already. I shouldn’t move to a village unless I don’t want to see anyone anymore. Now I’m thinking about finding a loft flat in Zürich in a silent part of the city. I mean, if it’s not silent, and it’s not a single house with a view, then it should be Zürich rather on a village so at least I will see people once in a while.

The secret of "ruhig" is having only 30km/h roads around, and having the place in a street where driving is forbidden unless you live there.

Back to the landlord. Fear is the worst enemy. Once you defeat it, you start having a new life.
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