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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

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Please don’t take it personally. It wouldn’t help if I write pages about some of the reasons.

I’m thinking of sealing the door but it’s ridiculous if I have to that.
It sounds like you need professional counselling.
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Old 01.11.2017, 08:25
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Let me underline I have about ten reasons to not let anyone ever come to my flat when I’m home. When I say anyone, I mean anyone, including friends.
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This {security guard} is the best idea so far. The only problem is that in such case one wants to avoid attention as much as possible. But I will consider this.
So apparently you won't let friends or workmen in but will let a complete stranger in as a security guard?
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So apparently you won't let friends or workmen in but will let a complete stranger in as a security guard?
you could get 2 security guards from competing companies so that they can watch each other.
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Old 01.11.2017, 08:30
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The problem is I wouldn’t like to have a surgery and be nervous for days whether they break in my flat or not. I’ve been living here for many years. I’m not moving, I offered other days when they can come.
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By the way, the Landlord has been changed a few months ago. There were no issues for years. Now there are. I will move because of these new issues anyway, but this takes a while.
Can't decide if this is a wind-up, troll thread or genuine.

Still it seems a lot of fuss over a simple matter. Give a key to your neighbour and don't worry so much. Workmen have better things to do than go through your stuff believe me.
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Old 01.11.2017, 08:56
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

Why not just hire a security guard to protect whatever it is you need protecting?

If the workmen seeing it isn't an issue, and the security guard prevents theft or damage, problem solved.

Most likely they'll only be in the property long enough to turn off some stuff, turn it back on and check/bleed the system.
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Old 01.11.2017, 09:06
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Can't decide if this is a wind-up, troll thread or genuine.

Still it seems a lot of fuss over a simple matter. Give a key to your neighbour and don't worry so much. Workmen have better things to do than go through your stuff believe me.
OP should remind herself about her actual rights, and also her obligations.
Being a tenant only means that you can rent the property, which is still owned by the landlord. That landlord has the right and duty to maintain it, and sometimes has to access it. There is a process to do that, respecting both parties, such as the obligation to inform about the visit in advance.

Here, clearly the OP is in a parallel reality, confusing right, breaking in, ownership, etc... By defending that behavior, one only reinforce that perceive feeling that OP "is right". In fact, the contract OP signed, subject to Swiss laws, and therefore the agreement made is definitely proving otherwise.
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

OP, is your name "Gurlitt" and you don't want people see all your stolen Picasso, Cézanne and Monet stuff at your wall? (consider that if they get wet restauration is very costly) ;-P


The landlord can give you notice if you hinder him in his rights and prevent workers from maintaing the building. Then it would be yourself on the street, by law. Not talking about what your neighbours would make you pay back if they understand they have no heating in winter because you got serious psychological problems.


I fear the only thing for you is you cancel your surgery.
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Old 01.11.2017, 09:28
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OP should remind herself about her actual rights, and also her obligations.
Being a tenant only means that you can rent the property, which is still owned by the landlord. That landlord has the right and duty to maintain it, and sometimes has to access it. There is a process to do that, respecting both parties, such as the obligation to inform about the visit in advance.

Here, clearly the OP is in a parallel reality, confusing right, breaking in, ownership, etc... By defending that behavior, one only reinforce that perceive feeling that OP "is right". In fact, the contract OP signed, subject to Swiss laws, and therefore the agreement made is definitely proving otherwise.
Yup, this thread is bat-**** crazy. Denying a landlord access to an apartment to carry out essential maintenance works is putting the entire building at an inconvenience and possible risk. Part of the contract will be that she has to let them in to perform this work, and it is utterly unreasonable, surgery or no surgery, not to allow them by whatever meansto do so on the date that they have organised the work.

If she has so many amazingly sensitive things in her apartment and on her walls then why not just take them down or cover them in advance... I have the feeling her walls are absolutely covered in scrawlings or pictures of conspiracy theories to the point where she fears to let anyone in any see just in case they are potential lizardmen agents. Either that, or she is such a hoarder that every spare inch of her apartment is absolutely covered in junk.

Either way, the OP sounds like a paranoid delusional type.
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Old 01.11.2017, 09:29
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you could get 2 security guards from competing companies so that they can watch each other.
No, you need 3. One that can read, one that can write and one to keep an eye on the two intellectuals.
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Old 01.11.2017, 09:36
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No, you need 3. One that can read, one that can write and one to keep an eye on the two intellectuals.
And a fourth one to report to the STASI, that was a joke from out of the good old days of the DDR.
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Old 01.11.2017, 09:39
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Yup, this thread is bat-**** crazy. Denying a landlord access to an apartment to carry out essential maintenance works is putting the entire building at an inconvenience and possible risk. Part of the contract will be that she has to let them in to perform this work, and it is utterly unreasonable, surgery or no surgery, not to allow them by whatever meansto do so on the date that they have organised the work.

If she has so many amazingly sensitive things in her apartment and on her walls then why not just take them down or cover them in advance... I have the feeling her walls are absolutely covered in scrawlings or pictures of conspiracy theories to the point where she fears to let anyone in any see just in case they are potential lizardmen agents. Either that, or she is such a hoarder that every spare inch of her apartment is absolutely covered in junk.

Either way, the OP sounds like a paranoid delusional type.
I think your getting close, 2 weeks to clear copyrighted junk.
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Old 01.11.2017, 09:43
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I fear the only thing for you is you cancel your surgery.
Or just grow up and give a spare key to the landlord, like any sane, reasonable-minded person.
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

EF in brainstorm overdrive

Just hope OP did not use her real name in this ott quest for security and privacy.

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EF in brainstorm overdrive

Just hope OP did not use her real name in this ott quest for security and privacy.
Don't worry.

She didn't.
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Did Friday somehow come early with the changing of the clocks?!?
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Don't worry.

She didn't.
And now she's worried. Way to stoke the fires of paranoia.
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Did Friday somehow come early with the changing of the clocks?!?
You mean earlier than Thursday, which has been the new Friday?
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"



You guys are funny.

I do not think that "routine" maintenance work would allow a break in. It is not an emergency situation.

But I am for sure if OP still refuses and no other amicable deal can be found it will lead to an interesting court case about damages, compensation and the extend of Art. 257h https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...dex.html#a257h as well as Art. 98 and 99 Code of Obligations https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a98 and additionally in case of a break in Art. 701 Civil Code
https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a701, and Art. 16 - 18 Criminal Code https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a16 vs. Art. 186 Criminal Code https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a186

If it comes to a court case, please inform us about date an location. This one might be really interesting one.

But on the other hand if you are so seriously concerned what could happen in case someone enters your flat during your absence you have a much bigger problem at hand than this routine maintenance work. Why? Because there could really be an emergency problem which can only be fixed by entering your apartment which would be perfectly legal or they may be simply a common burglary and your stuff gone and ransacked.
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

the more the OP being paranoid about it, the more the landlord and the workers will get curious.

OP; how do you even go out with that attitude? Do you ever go to shopping,restaurants,drinks,etc?

I know so many cases of a break-in by actual thieves in Switzerland.How do you ensure that doesnt happen to you? How do you even sleep at night.
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Old 01.11.2017, 11:23
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Either way, the OP sounds like a paranoid delusional type.
I know someone who actually suffers from that -seriously.

The OP appears to be showing some of the symptoms. She seems to have lost touch with reality.

Having said that, the writing style is similar to a few banned posters so I reckon she (he) is just a troll.
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