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I know someone who actually suffers from that -seriously.

The OP appears to be showing some of the symptoms. She seems to have lost touch with reality.

Having said that, the writing style is similar to a few banned posters so I reckon she (he) is just a troll.
Linguistic DNA and all that.
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

Does anyone know where I can get a disc tumbler lock door in Switzerland?
Additionaly where can I get a safe which has at least class 6 rating and fire protection up to 120 minutes for magnetic tapes etc. or must I buy a big safe and have inside it my data safe?
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Having said that, the writing style is similar to a few banned posters so I reckon she (he) is just a troll.
But possibly one who's lost touch with reality.
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Old 01.11.2017, 13:20
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

The OP would also be well advised to make an inventory of all here underwear before the works are carried out. With all those handworker types in the apartment, it is almost inevitable that one will succumb to the temptation to supplement his collection with a few exotic foreign pieces and maybe leave dirty fingerprints all over the rest.
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Does anyone know where I can get a disc tumbler lock door in Switzerland?
Additionaly where can I get a safe which has at least class 6 rating and fire protection up to 120 minutes for magnetic tapes etc. or must I buy a big safe and have inside it my data safe?
I'd have at least a safe in a safe in a safe. Just to be safe, you understand.
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I'd have at least a safe in a safe in a safe. Just to be safe, you understand.
With a Jesus figurine on top of it. You know, Jesus saves.
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Having said that, the writing style is similar to a few banned posters so I reckon she (he) is just a troll.
The account was registered in December 2014, so unlikely. OP seems genuine(ly nuts).
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

If he is a regular troller, he probably set up a bunch of lurker accounts to add verisimilitude.
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

I'm going to hazard a guess and say some sort of copywriter (IR or other financials), or layout designer (working on fashion or high-end catalogues), with workflows and drafts of many pages assembled on the walls, (cheap to produce, expensive in time to replace).

Casual viewing of the workflows isn't an issue, reproduction certainly could be. Use of "copyright" makes me think high-end layout. Had a friend who did similar, massive NDA, intense working window. I've done similar in my daily work, but not to that extent.

If that's the case, I kinda get it. The penalties for a leak could be massive and in many industries get the worker blackballed. However, couldn't she cover the work and seal the covers (assuming it's coverable) with signed tapes or similar, then get a trusted friend to ensure the covers are not moved?

Nobody sees the work, just ensures the work remains covered.

I also think the reaction's a bit extreme, but I can see a few cases where the work it so sensitive that a leak would be career ending.
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Old 01.11.2017, 14:24
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

Thanks, Occasional_Canadian, for a compassionate and understanding post, with a plausible explanation.

If OP's situation is exactly as she has described it, and if it is something along the line of what Occasional_Canadian surmises here, then it must be very, very worrying for her, and the logisitics dizzying. Even if, as some here have suggested, she is suffering from a psychiatric condition, then that, too, can be a scary place to stand, especially with needing an operation soon.

Maybe the OP is trolling, we don't know. After all, with few exceptions, most of us don't know the other users on most of the fora we use. And this forum is a very mixed bunch.

OP, if you are still reading this thread, and in case you are for real (and not just posting an unusual situation here in order to prompt replies), then I'd like to encourage you to remember that even posters who add their wit and fun to a thread are not necessarily nasty. In some cultures, a bit of joking and mocking can be part of the way people approach problems, both their own and those of others. Please, simply reject all the parts of this thread that you don't find helpful, and pick out and apply any parts that do help. I hope you find a solution.
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I'm going to hazard a guess and say some sort of copywriter (IR or other financials), or layout designer (working on fashion or high-end catalogues), with workflows and drafts of many pages assembled on the walls, (cheap to produce, expensive in time to replace).

I also think the reaction's a bit extreme, but I can see a few cases where the work it so sensitive that a leak would be career ending.
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The account was registered in December 2014, so unlikely.
A few trolls here have registered alternative accounts years ago.

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A few trolls here have registered alternative accounts years ago.

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Ahh, then what is the name of your other account?
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Old 01.11.2017, 14:47
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I'm going to hazard a guess and say some sort of copywriter (IR or other financials), or layout designer (working on fashion or high-end catalogues), with workflows and drafts of many pages assembled on the walls, (cheap to produce, expensive in time to replace).

Casual viewing of the workflows isn't an issue, reproduction certainly could be. Use of "copyright" makes me think high-end layout. Had a friend who did similar, massive NDA, intense working window. I've done similar in my daily work, but not to that extent.

If that's the case, I kinda get it. The penalties for a leak could be massive and in many industries get the worker blackballed. However, couldn't she cover the work and seal the covers (assuming it's coverable) with signed tapes or similar, then get a trusted friend to ensure the covers are not moved?

Nobody sees the work, just ensures the work remains covered.

I also think the reaction's a bit extreme, but I can see a few cases where the work it so sensitive that a leak would be career ending.
I too can understand where the OP is coming from. In my time I've been offered work that has had such strict NDAs attached that would actually make doing the work in the first place logistically all but impossible. I was in the fortunate position of being able to turn down such offers; not everyone is, especially if standard in their industry. It's not uncommon for me to be offered work that "cannot leave Switzerland", and that's the least of it. The (at least technical and threatened) consequences of breaching such agreements can be eye-watering, career-ending and bankrupting, especially given the uneven relative power of a small supplier in relation to a large organisation as client.

It's certainly not inconceivable that the OP is actually bound in this situation by two, mutually exclusive, legal obligations added to the logistical problems of trying to herd medical cats. It seems to me she's been perfectly reasonable in offering 10 other dates and in my experience most reasonable landlords would do their best to be accommodating in the circumstances if the situation is explained to them properly and calmly.
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I too can understand where the OP is coming from. In my time I've been offered work that has had such strict NDAs attached that would actually make doing the work in the first place logistically all but impossible. I was in the fortunate position of being able to turn down such offers; not everyone is, especially if standard in their industry. It's not uncommon for me to be offered work that "cannot leave Switzerland", and that's the least of it. The (at least technical and threatened) consequences of breaching such agreements can be eye-watering, career-ending and bankrupting, especially given the uneven relative power of a small supplier in relation to a large organisation as client.

It's certainly not inconceivable that the OP is actually bound by two, contradictory, legal obligations added to the logistical problems of trying to herd medical cats. It seems to me she's been perfectly reasonable in offering 10 other dates and in my experience most reasonable landlords would do their best to be accommodating in the circumstances if the situation is explained to them properly and calmly.
It is good to have people come up with plausible scenarios and I understand your pov, thanks for sincerity and sharing. The only thing that boggles my mind in that case, though, if OP honestly needs ultra security - why vent all her detailed stories on a social media with quite a lot of traffic? That behavior makes zero sense.
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The only thing that boggles my mind in that case, though, if OP honestly needs ultra security - why vent all her detailed stories on a social media with quite a lot of traffic? That behavior makes zero sense.
Really? She's anticipated exactly the reaction she would get - get a friend in, leave the key with the landlord etc. - and tried to head off unworkable options from the outset, trying to give enough information to have that accepted at face value whilst not being too revealing - and look how she has been lambasted. She's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

Assuming this is legit, and just in case I missed it in a quick read of the twists and turns of this thread, but to the OP:

Have you spoken to the Mieterverband?
https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv-zh.html

If not, call them and ask for their advice.

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It is good to have people come up with plausible scenarios and I understand your pov, thanks for sincerity and sharing. The only thing that boggles my mind in that case, though, if OP honestly needs ultra security - why vent all her detailed stories on a social media with quite a lot of traffic? That behavior makes zero sense.
Because the security is pinpoint subjective. It's entirely possible to have buttoned-up NDAs about stuff that's so mundane to anyone outside of the system that nobody outside gets it.

For example, lets say that OP is a designer doing, lets say, an ultra-high end homewares brand. Fashion trendsetting type of stuff. That's high confidentiality, because of the possiblity of knockoffs if it leaks. Will anyone stage a break in to see the newest sofa design? Hardly.

It's obvious she's concerned about photos, which could go into the wild. That's what made me think of this industry - it's not sensitive if just seen, but is very sensitive if transmissible.

EDIT: Think of the lengths car manufacturers go to to keep the styling details of their new models secret. Nobody wants their thunder stolen and IP knocked off before launch.

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Really? She's anticipated exactly the reaction she would get - get a friend in, leave the key with the landlord etc. - and tried to head off unworkable options from the outset, trying to give enough information to have that accepted at face value whilst not being too revealing
If that were the intention then deliberately being secretive about the reasons was guaranteed to get these reactions. She could simply have said she had lots of sensitive material in the flat, without going into detail, if that were the case.

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She's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.
But if, as you suggest, she'd anticipated the reaction, she'd also have been able to see that there was no point posting it with such a teaser in the first place. It would have been quite easy to ask for the information on her rights and responsibilities without making it sound so paranoid, such as not using expressions like 'break-in'. That's what puzzles me about the whole thing.
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