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Old 02.11.2017, 11:58
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

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Unless you have detailed plans for a working cold fusion reactor hanging on your wall, and one of the workmen happens to be an amateur physicist then you really don't have anything to worry about, you really think workmen give a toss about your stuff?

jesus, copywrite stuff hanging on the wall, some people really like to make themselves sound important.
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Old 02.11.2017, 12:44
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

Off-site CERN office, I bet.
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Old 02.11.2017, 12:51
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Off-site CERN office, I bet.
And what are the chances of the heating/plumbing guy or the landlord also being a particle physicist in his spare time?

And so what if he was? Scientist do share information.

I suppose the OP could be a North Korean agent (amongst her other fantasies)
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Old 03.11.2017, 00:48
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

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Old 03.11.2017, 01:35
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

OP, What's the said date please? So we may come back and watch this thread.
..Or are you in surgery already?
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We had to keep it alive til friday.....
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

Just read this thread https://www.englishforum.ch/housing-...-property.html and now I'm convinced that the OP will never be able to move out.
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Old 03.11.2017, 22:24
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Just read this thread https://www.englishforum.ch/housing-...-property.html and now I'm convinced that the OP will never be able to move out.
I thought of that thread too. In that case OP's only option would be to move out and leave the flat vacant, and only after it's empty submit the lease termination notice. This would be costly, though, paying double rent and all that.
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Old 06.11.2017, 17:57
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

I don’t have time to read the rest of the discussion.

For those who helped, thank you for every hint.

For the others, thank you for being retarded. The world would be better without you, but you still produce some GDP, so it’s fine.

I talked to a lawyer.

1. Yes, you need to let the landlord do repairs.

2. No, you don’t have to be home when you are in a hospital. You need to send your landlord the letter from the hospital in such case.

3. Yes, you can have reasons to not let people come in when you are not there. Copyright is one of the valid concerns.

4. "Breaking in" is not allowed. The consequence could be up to three years behind the bars. But it rarely is. They usually pay you a fine, and only if you can prove it, which is difficult.

5. Even if your landlord tried to come in, or did it, your chances to reduce the cancellation period are close to zero.

This is what the lawyer told me. I find #1 - #4 logical and reasonable. I think the Swiss law is logical in 95% of the times.

The #5 surprised me a bit but it’s not the end of the world. I’ll look at it as saving money (as my new place, wherever it will be, will have a higher rent for sure).
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Old 06.11.2017, 18:01
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

Hi Amanda

Thanks for checking with a lawyer and reporting back with your findings. It makes a few of us on the forum look very silly.
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4. "Breaking in" is not allowed. The consequence could be up to three years behind the bars. But it rarely is. They usually pay you a fine, and only if you can prove it, which is difficult.
Seriously? This is what a lawyer told you? The person breaking in, if proven guilty, gets to pay you a fine?

That sounds more like a civil case than a criminal case. Breaking and entering is a criminal act.
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Old 06.11.2017, 18:05
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I thought of that thread too. In that case OP's only option would be to move out and leave the flat vacant, and only after it's empty submit the lease termination notice. This would be costly, though, paying double rent and all that.
I’m going to move out anyway. I have "grown out" the flat. This is not the landlord’s fault.

But as far as I understood the lawyer, you are not obliged to spend days or weeks on moving out and in only because the landlord found the only appointment when you can’t be home, and refuses to behave like if we were in the middle-age.

When I move out, I also have to let the landlord show the flat to others (unless a find a new tenant on my own).

I understand it. They were here many times for various repairs or works, and it never was a problem for me, even if I didn’t ask for the specific work.
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Seriously? This is what a lawyer told you? The person breaking in, if proven guilty, gets to pay you a fine?

That sounds more like a civil case than a criminal case. Breaking and entering is a criminal act.
Yes, but this is a legal insurance service. As far as I can tell you, they are super helpful when you need to defend yourself, but they are not much into "punishment" of any kind. Somehow I understand that. They saved me from trouble a few times already.

I don’t know how accurate the word "usually" was in this context. I hope I will never figure it out.
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Old 06.11.2017, 18:34
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Hi Amanda

Thanks for checking with a lawyer and reporting back with your findings. It makes a few of us on the forum look very silly.
I believe the word she used is "retards".
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I believe the word she used is "retards".
at least they are GDP producing retards
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I believe the word she used is "retards".
I would never use that word on people who don't understand what I say or don’t agree with me. We are different, and this is great.

But for those who go personal in a thread about legal advice, the expression I picked up was a serious understatement.
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at least they are GDP producing retards
I received a surprising amount of usable help and hints already on the first page. I hope this thread will help other people too.
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

Keep in mind that when applying for a new flat your current landlord could be contacted.

What kind of a reference will he give after this? If he says you were difficult about repair work to be carried out (he is not interested in your reasons, trust me) you can forget being considered for the new flat.

Just some food for thought.
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Keep in mind that when applying for a new flat your current landlord could be contacted.

What kind of a reference will he give after this? If he says you were difficult about repair work to be carried out (he is not interested in your reasons, trust me) you can forget being considered for the new flat.

Just some food for thought.
Yeah. That’s why these companies can walk away with anything, even crimes. People go the safe way. They have fear.

The other thing landlords and other companies abuse is the culture of being humble in this country.

I like to be humble when I can.

This time might be a different story.
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Keep in mind that when applying for a new flat your current landlord could be contacted.

What kind of a reference will he give after this? If he says you were difficult about repair work to be carried out (he is not interested in your reasons, trust me) you can forget being considered for the new flat.

Just some food for thought.
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