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Yes, this. Switzerland is a very small country, and naturally each area, geographically or in a professional field smaller yet, with ways that information travels. One's reputation can be very important, even critical, whether for moving home or finding a new job.
I wish you were right. If you were, a few people would have serious issues considering what I found in the basement. It was a key in the lock of my private storage. I had never seen this key until Saturday.

If they can walk away with this, I will consider the country I loved for four years pathetic.

I hope itís not. Otherwise, I might start thinking about how to get a green card.
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

The reputation of the small fish is made by the big fish.
The small fish have the choice, however, about how they behave so as to give the big fish more or less chance to build that reputation, as good or bad.
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The reputation of the small fish is made by the big fish.
The small fish have the choice, however, about how they behave so as to give the big fish more or less chance to build that reputation, as good or bad.
The reputation of a fish, regardless of its size, matters only in the eyes of the rest of the fishes.
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Old 07.11.2017, 00:17
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Re: Right to refuse "break-in"

the fishes? LOL.

We have a saying in German:
<<Ist der Ruf erst ruiniert, lebt es sich ganz ungeniert>> (Wilhelm Busch)

very true
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the fishes? LOL.

We have a saying in German:
<<Ist der Ruf erst ruiniert, lebt es sich ganz ungeniert>> (Wilhelm Busch)

very true
Diogenes already expressed this by throwing away his drinking cup to become free from possessions. I don’t know whether he could have a chat with Buddha or not. That kind of freedom is outside of the scope of my interest.

Reputation comes in various forms. How about the self-reputation?

I have no moral problems with the prostitution. I’m not interested in getting involved in it. Making decisions based on what opportunities a landlord can affect in one’s life is prostitution in my eyes. As I told you, I see no moral problems in other people doing it.

Although reputation is not the first word comes to my mind when I think of it.

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Old 07.11.2017, 09:21
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The reputation of a fish, regardless of its size, matters only in the eyes of the rest of the fishes.
Yup, that's it. A landlord who decides whether or not to rent a flat to a prospective new tenant - that was Mrs Doolittle's very good point - is a big fish determining what a little fish can or cannot do. That's exactly when the little fish's reputation, as seen by the big fish who in turn is influenced by the say-so of other big fish, matters.
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Diogenes already expressed this by throwing away his drinking cup to become free from possessions. I donít know whether he could have a chat with Buddha or not. That kind of freedom is outside of the scope of my interest.

Reputation comes in various forms. How about the self-reputation?

I have no moral problems with the prostitution. Iím not interested in getting involved in it. Making decisions based on what opportunities a landlord can affect in oneís life is prostitution in my eyes. As I told you, I see no moral problems in other people doing it.

Although reputation is not the first word comes to my mind when I think of it.
If we're talking logic here.

- you have no problem with prostitution

- you believe doing what your landlord says is prostitution

- therefore you have no problem doing what your landlord says

There seems to be a bit of a gap here with your actual position stated previously...

Or you see no problem with "other people" doing it, but you don't think the rules apply to you - which from what I've seen tends to end up with you destitute, locked up, or very rich and famous.
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I donít have time to read the rest of the discussion.

For those who helped, thank you for every hint.

For the others, thank you for being retarded. The world would be better without you, but you still produce some GDP, so itís fine.

I talked to a lawyer.

1. Yes, you need to let the landlord do repairs.

2. No, you donít have to be home when you are in a hospital. You need to send your landlord the letter from the hospital in such case.

3. Yes, you can have reasons to not let people come in when you are not there. Copyright is one of the valid concerns.

4. "Breaking in" is not allowed. The consequence could be up to three years behind the bars. But it rarely is. They usually pay you a fine, and only if you can prove it, which is difficult.

5. Even if your landlord tried to come in, or did it, your chances to reduce the cancellation period are close to zero.

This is what the lawyer told me. I find #1 - #4 logical and reasonable. I think the Swiss law is logical in 95% of the times.

The #5 surprised me a bit but itís not the end of the world. Iíll look at it as saving money (as my new place, wherever it will be, will have a higher rent for sure).
That's all very interesting but what is the solution to your problem?
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That's all very interesting but what is the solution to your problem?
My problem was solved on the first page. The rest seven pages are about some people can’t understand what my problem was, and what was not. I guess. I haven’t read most of it.


The OP can be summarized as: "Is the landlord allowed to enter my flat against my will?"

The answer is: "If they do, the consequence is up to three years behind the bars."

That’s the answer I needed to know. I didn’t expect the forum to be full of ocean-biologists. I’m living close to the ZŁri lake, yes. There are fishes in the lake, yes. So what? They don’t disturb me much. They are cute. They taste good.

Let me help.

Although I believe my second apartment will take magnitudes less time to find and rent than the first one did, I might be wrong. Yes, I can imagine that the ocean biologists have a point. So?

Why would I want to rent another apartment for several times more monthly fee than this one costs where the landlord would consider it normal to do something I find unacceptable? If at my current flat it’s not acceptable for me to come in when I’m not home, then it won’t be acceptable in the next flat either.

If I wouldn’t get a flat only because the new landlord learns this is not okay for me, it saves me from a lot of trouble in the long-term.
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The rest seven pages are about some people can’t understand what my problem was, and what was not. I guess. I haven’t read most of it.
Ah, I see.
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I received a surprising amount of usable help and hints already on the first page. I hope this thread will help other people too.
And how much more help, and less questioning and sniping, would you have received had your attitude been a little less aggressive and confrontational?

You've succeeded in making yourself look paranoid and irrational, so if that was your intent then you've done a good job. If you really just wanted advice (as I said a few days ago) don't you think you could have got it without all of the 'retarded' replies had you just been a little more reasonable in the first place?
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My problem was solved on the first page. The rest seven pages are about some people canít understand what my problem was, and what was not. I guess. I havenít read most of it.


The OP can be summarized as: "Is the landlord allowed to enter my flat against my will?"

The answer is: "If they do, the consequence is up to three years behind the bars."

Thatís the answer I needed to know. I didnít expect the forum to be full of ocean-biologists. Iím living close to the ZŁri lake, yes. There are fishes in the lake, yes. So what? They donít disturb me much. They are cute. They taste good.

Let me help.

Although I believe my second apartment will take magnitudes less time to find and rent than the first one did, I might be wrong. Yes, I can imagine that the ocean biologists have a point. So?

Why would I want to rent another apartment for several times more monthly fee than this one costs where the landlord would consider it normal to do something I find unacceptable? If at my current flat itís not acceptable for me to come in when Iím not home, then it wonít be acceptable in the next flat either.

If I wouldnít get a flat only because the new landlord learns this is not okay for me, it saves me from a lot of trouble in the long-term.
So are you going to let the landlord in to do the repairs or not?
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Why would I want to rent another apartment for several times more monthly fee than this one costs where the landlord would consider it normal to do something I find unacceptable? If at my current flat itís not acceptable for me to come in when Iím not home, then it wonít be acceptable in the next flat either.

If I wouldnít get a flat only because the new landlord learns this is not okay for me, it saves me from a lot of trouble in the long-term.
In which case don't bother to move - beacause most landlords/agencies will consider it acceptable for you to leave a key with a friend/neighbour if you're not going to be in and the alternative dates you offer aren't possible for them.

If you insist on moving I suggest you up your budget and look to rent a house where you are the only tenant. That way it's only you and the landlord/agency who have to come to some agreement when there's major work to be done rather than having other tenants involved too all trying to come up with a mutually acceptable date.
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The rest seven pages are about some people canít understand what my problem was, and what was not. I guess. I havenít read most of it.
Ah, I see.
It's all right though, cos it contained lots of stuff that she didn't want to hear anyway, like actual information that might have been at odds with her preferred answer.
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And if not, what will happen?
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no idea what this thread is all about
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If we're talking logic here.

- you have no problem with prostitution

- you believe doing what your landlord says is prostitution

- therefore you have no problem doing what your landlord says

There seems to be a bit of a gap here with your actual position stated previously...

Or you see no problem with "other people" doing it, but you don't think the rules apply to you - which from what I've seen tends to end up with you destitute, locked up, or very rich and famous.
I define prostitution as doing something I donít want to do only for benefits and possible consequences.
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I define prostitution as doing something I donít want to do only for benefits and possible consequences.
bet you're fun at parties
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And how much more help, and less questioning and sniping, would you have received had your attitude been a little less aggressive and confrontational?

You've succeeded in making yourself look paranoid and irrational, so if that was your intent then you've done a good job. If you really just wanted advice (as I said a few days ago) don't you think you could have got it without all of the 'retarded' replies had you just been a little more reasonable in the first place?
People tend to be offending in a coward and shameful way, and when one replies this without acting like an earthworm themselves, one is called aggressive.

I did not ask for an analysis of my personality. But if itís part of the customs here, I try to integrate.

When itís obvious I donít care what some future landlord would think of me, whatís the logic in expecting me to care about what people will think of me, who canít understand it not everyone is the same person?
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So are you going to let the landlord in to do the repairs or not?
Why would I?

I wonít.

If you are interested, I can tell you in this thread how many days it took me to find the next flat, from the first phone call (about the first flat I will consider) to the point when the contract is signed.

But this will be months from now due to the surgeries. Itís likely no one would remember or be interested.
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