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We are renting a ground level apartment with a terrace and access to common grounds. What is the general consensus on kids playing outside and being loud? To me, happily playing kids are a joy to hear and not something to complain about. However, I am an American and don't know what I'm talking about...
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We are renting a ground level apartment with a terrace and access to common grounds. What is the general consensus on kids playing outside and being loud? To me, happily playing kids are a joy to hear and not something to complain about. However, I am an American and don't know what I'm talking about...
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there is no consensus.. you just have to choose your neighbours wisely. If you are living in an area of yuppies, you are likely to get complaints on a Sunday morning. If you are living in an area of children, people will complain late at night. If you are living with seniors, you usually don't have a problem as they remember that they were young once too....

and if you're really lucky, you may chance to move in under an arrogant tw@t who takes it upon himself to "instruct you how to do things properly". Don't take this personally, as he is also out there driving 80 in an 80k zone, in the fast lane, as it is his Life Mission to Teach the World...
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there is no consensus.. you just have to choose your neighbours wisely. If you are living in an area of yuppies, you are likely to get complaints on a Sunday morning. If you are living in an area of children, people will complain late at night. If you are living with seniors, you usually don't have a problem as they remember that they were young once too....
I beg to differ with your last point!

In my (limited) experience, seniors have NEVER been young, and now that they are retired observing what’s going on in the building all day long and commenting on it is their major occupation
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Re: Kids playing outdoors and the quiet culture

I'm lucky enough to live below someone aged about 80, who even lets my daughter in when she has forgotten her key.
She did try and teach me how to tie my recycling paper once, and does have issues with how the gardener trims the trees, as he obviously has no idea, but noise isn't an issue.
Did i mention that she plays the piano, and we live next to a school?
My kids are relatively quiet....
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Re: Kids playing outdoors and the quiet culture

It's certainly not illegal for the kids to play and make a noise within normal hours but reactions from neighbors will differ. Our last place had a common garden, two blocks, 6 apartments each. 5 of us were families with young kids and we asked permission from everybody to put up a shared trampoline in garden. It was denied on the basis of too much potential noise. Fair enough.

We've since moved, just a few hundred meters but now we have a proper full shared playground, our own big garden with trampoline etc.. In the summer the kids are all in the playground playing and parents/neighbors socializing over a glass of wine.
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Re: Kids playing outdoors and the quiet culture

This very much depends on your neighbourhood. We are surrounded by families with young children. It does get loud. When the weather is nice they are playing ouside and clearly having fun.

One Sunday my grumpy next door neighbour was standing on his driveway contemplating telling the kids off who were playing street hockey...until he saw that one of the Dad's was with them. He went back into his house.

Spacious garden apartments were often intended to use by families. The best advice I can give you is to observe what the neighbourhood is like. If you didn't see any children playing outside during any of your visits it could just be due to weather or the time of the visit.
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You should not be hearing lawn mowers on Sunday mornings!
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We are renting a ground level apartment with a terrace and access to common grounds. What is the general consensus on kids playing outside and being loud? To me, happily playing kids are a joy to hear and not something to complain about. However, I am an American and don't know what I'm talking about...
Kids are welcome to play outside in New Haven.
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Re: Kids playing outdoors and the quiet culture

When we moved in, there were almost no kids on the blocks, the lawns were immaculate and no kids yelling outside. Fast forward a few years, there are plenty of kinds around, sometimes about 10 boys playing soccer in the yard, the lawn cannot even regrow, and no (loud) complaints yet.
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Re: Kids playing outdoors and the quiet culture

I suppose I'm an old grumpy especially in the eyes of those who see this old man when he's around and about. But here, from where I sit at my PC I also look out on a really nice children's playground. It has amongst other things swings and seesaws, a slide, netting to climb on and a large sandpit, one which is always covered up with the inbuilt protecting tarpaulin in the evening by the last mother leaving. The playground is also covered by a large blue sailcloth in the summer so that the children aren't exposed to the sun. It is often really busy - even in winter. I love the life out there.


But, and here is old grumpy - grumping. Do the mothers as well as the occasional father, really have to spend their (laughingly called) 'quality time' staring into their iphones. They all have one sticking out of their back pocket ready to draw.


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Re: Kids playing outdoors and the quiet culture

Near where I live, there are two families with a lot of children. They each used the same very wise method. A few weeks after they moved in, they went around to greet the immediate neighbours and to ask whether they had made too much noise during the move, with drilling and hammering, etc., and to apologise if this had been the case.

They stated that they had x children, and said that they liked to live in peace and asked that if ever, ever their noise were to disturb, one should come to tell them immediately, so they'd know right away exactly which part of which activity was causing the problem.

The beauty of this is that it pre-empts generalised whinging. And allows you, as a family, to exhale and just get on with enjoying life, up until someone tells you about something specific.
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I suppose I'm an old grumpy especially in the eyes of those who see this old man when he's around and about. But here, from where I sit at my PC I also look out on a really nice children's playground. It has amongst other things swings and seesaws, a slide, netting to climb on and a large sandpit, one which is always covered up with the inbuilt protecting tarpaulin in the evening by the last mother leaving. The playground is also covered by a large blue sailcloth in the summer so that the children aren't exposed to the sun. It is often really busy - even in winter. I love the life out there.


But, and here is old grumpy - grumping. Do the mothers as well as the occasional father, really have to spend their (laughingly called) 'quality time' staring into their iphones. They all have one sticking out of their back pocket ready to draw.


Cowgirls really and the odd buffalo bill.
Why not? If the kids are playing happily with each other and I'm within earshot, where's the harm in having a few minutes to myself to catch up with the news, or send a picture to grandma, or finish reading an article?

If I hear a thud or a scream I'll be there like a shot, but otherwise I think it's good for children to amuse themselves for a while.
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Re: Kids playing outdoors and the quiet culture

This happens and works well in our street. The only issue is supervision and rules, we get a few dropins so I have had a few words with a couple of the kids. Parents that don't supervise there kids hate anyone else talking to their kids. With supervision I am talking about a walk past every hour or so. Our boys are not afraid of telling someone to go away and not play again, this kid now plays by the loose set of rules that his parents didn't give him.
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Re: Kids playing outdoors and the quiet culture

LOL, by describing your apartment as
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...a ground level apartment ...

there was no need to add
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...I am an American and don't know what I'm talking about...
...only a yankee doodle would call a ground floor dwelling a ground level dwelling...that's because they have come to figure out that to call it a first floor dwelling ŕ la américaine...is just nonsensical!


"Let the children play!" (Santana).
When I grew up, it would seem that all the families in our block and surrounding streets had children, and regardless of the weather, we were always kicked out of the house as soon as breakfast was over, "come back fer yer piece at lunch" followed by "member come haeme when the street lights come on".
As children, we were always out playing, noisy, scrapping, and running in and out of each others homes. And this is still the case in Scotland and I'm sure in many other places around the world.
I guess it's subjective, based on your own personal experience growing up and what you have seen since in your life.
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Re: Kids playing outdoors and the quiet culture

Maybe I'm a grumpy old git, but our last appartment was subject to hordes of screaming kids , skateboards, trotinettes etc.
We lived on the first floor, the ground floor being offices. Our PPE had a large, 3-tiered garden area, the tiers being separated by bushes and shrubs and in fron of the offices was a largish terrace, partially covered by ours and our neighbour's balconies. We would often have a group of kids playing on the grass and terrace, with the sound resonating like a cavern, skateboards and trots were the worst. They would also jump through and between the bushes and damaging them. Hell they even broke some of the footpath lighting.
The thing is, none of the aforementioned kids lived in our PPE, they all came from the neighbouring apartments, whose entrances opened straight onto our garden. We had words with them on more than one occasion and it was discussed to put up some kind of fencing at the PPE meeting, but that still wasn't in place when we sold up and moved out.
I have two girls myself, so I'm not anti-children or anti-play, but we had to close our windows on some occasions to have a normal conversation or watch TV, the noise really was that bad, not to mention the damage to the lawn and bushes, which the PPE had to pay for.
So glad to have our own house and garden now .
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We are renting a ground level apartment with a terrace and access to common grounds. What is the general consensus on kids playing outside and being loud? To me, happily playing kids are a joy to hear and not something to complain about. However, I am an American and don't know what I'm talking about...
It depends on the type of neighbourhood. Where I live kids are allowed to play outside and be loud, enjoy their time. Our Spielplatz is always busy. I haven't heard any complaints so far, not even from older people...provided everybody uses some common sense e.g. play at normal hours. We even had some birthday parties over there (with balloons and stuff, but short children parties hehe).

However, if you live in a place that is not quite family oriented it might be a different situation. I remember when we were looking for an apartment we visited quite a few, rather pretentious places, where I could feel that normal life won't be simple.
I don't know, hard to predict people's quality.

Oh, and re. someone else's comment on seniors - some of them are totally, totally lovable and understanding.

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Re: Kids playing outdoors and the quiet culture

Agree that it's a lot to do with the type of neighbourhood BUT, my advice is just to respect the surrounding people who also live around the area and use your common sense.

When we were kids growing up (in the UK), we played in the street at full volume until around 8pm after which we were told in no uncertain times to "pipe down", which basically covers screaming like a banshee, kicking balls in peoples gardens, against walls, etc.

I think it's fair enough to expect a reasonable amount of quiet in the evening and over lunchtime. It's not just the old and retired who need some peace and quiet; if you are a new mum trying to get your newborn down for a sleep over lunchtime / early evening and there are a bunch of kids under the window shouting and screaming (cos let's face it - anyone under the age of 10 hasn't yet figured out you don't need to scream in the face of someone standing two feet away, just to be heard), it's not unreasonable to tell them to put a sock in it.

The guidelines in most places tell you that you can make noise from the hours of 7am to 12 noon, then a couple of hours break after which you can start up the racket again until 8pm. I'm sure kids will find this enough time to burn themselves out.
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Agree that it's a lot to do with the type of neighbourhood BUT, my advice is just to respect the surrounding people who also live around the area and use your common sense.
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Yes, absolutely, totally agree with you. I also mentioned common sense here.

My post was meant to reassure OP, it's not that bad as other people describe it. EF is full of stories of angry or grumpy neighbours and it's not always the case, provided you also do your part. Around here the fun is over at about 19,00 - dinner time. There might be a few teens who stay till late during summer, but they're not loud.
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Maybe I'm a grumpy old git, but our last appartment was subject to hordes of screaming kids , skateboards, trotinettes etc.
We would often have a group of kids playing on the grass and terrace, with the sound resonating like a cavern, skateboards and trots were the worst. They would also jump through and between the bushes and damaging them. Hell they even broke some of the footpath lighting.
The thing is, none of the aforementioned kids lived in our PPE, they all came from the neighbouring apartments
This is why an appartment building needs a GOG. We had one. He was great. The kids played (noisily) on the large designated play areas. Brilliant. The children did NOT play on the other green areas. They did not trample the flower beds using this as a short cut. They did not break branches off trees or use the laurel tree as a convenient WC. As in PaddyG's case, these children mostly didn't live on this 'estate' anyway. Under the watchful eyes of the GOG, they did not leave all their crisp bags, sweet papers, drink cans or PET bottles on the grass when they left to go home.

As long as the GOG did a good job, everyone else could cheerfully say that they had no trouble with the children playing... Then the GOG died.

I seem to have inherited the job. And the other owner occupiers have no trouble with the children playing...
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