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Svein 13.02.2018 20:49

Noise in apartment building.
 
Does anyone know what the legal status is regarding noise in an apartment building?

We have a recurring problem with our downstairs neighbours regarding noise at night. Anytime between 23.00 and 00.30, after we normally have gone to sleep, they regularly bang shut their windows, doors, or whatever, waking us up, and, of course, making it impossible for us to go back to sleep again.

We have written to them, in polite language, to ask them to do quietly, whatever they are doing. We have written to the PPE administration company asking them to act, but so far there has been no improvement.

The question is: Is there any legal status we can call upon to resolve this matter. In case there are differences between the Cantons we are in Vaud.

EdwinNL 13.02.2018 21:01

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Normal living sounds have to be accepted, and people have the duty to not make unnecessary noise which disturbs others after 22:00. (very roughly the rulings)

Closing a window/door is normal, banging a window/door is not normal.

Since nobody is going to help you, and banging a door is no police matter you have two options in my opinion.

1. Find a new home.
2. Go to court.

st2lemans 13.02.2018 22:49

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We have idiot neighbors who complain that we make noise, when we don't.

Due to the building structure, it could be anyone, anywhere.

Hell, we hear noises above us despite being on the top floor! :eek:

So, in short, suck it up, or take them to court. ;)

But you will lose, and you will pay their costs. :p

Tom

Troublawesome 14.02.2018 00:23

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Sounds like they are airing their apartment before they go to sleep, good thing I saw this thread to remind me to always do it quietly as windows can bang from the wind before I have the chance to do it gently.

LuganoPirate 14.02.2018 00:48

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Most buildings with multiple residents have house rules. You should check these to see what they say. You can also ask the neighbours if it disturbs them as well. If a few others also complain the admin may write a letter. But legally enforcing house rules is difficult.

If they rent the owner could cancel their contract due to exceptional circumstances in not obeying the house rules, but he has to act and as long as they the rent he's unlikely to want to lose a tenant and maybe a months rent + repainting etc.

Even then, they may object and it's unlikely anything will happen. Hopefully yuo'll get used to it with time and sleep through it.

Svein 16.02.2018 23:13

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Thank you all for your replies.

No easy solution is there - "grin and bear it" sounds like the majority verdict!

roegner 16.02.2018 23:17

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Originally Posted by Svein (Post 2911397)
Thank you all for your replies.

No easy solution is there - "grin and bear it" sounds like the majority verdict!

How about: have a chat with them? Maybe they do not realize you can hear that?

intheblue 17.02.2018 09:06

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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 2911399)
How about: have a chat with them? Maybe they do not realize you can hear that?

After writing to them? Fat chance

bugger 17.02.2018 10:06

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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 2911399)
How about: have a chat with them? Maybe they do not realize you can hear that?

Why? Cos they don't know how to read, just like somebody else here?

roegner 17.02.2018 10:11

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Originally Posted by bugger (Post 2911448)
Why? Cos they don't know how to read, just like somebody else here?

My goodness..... Maybe OP wrote in German and the tenants do not speak that? Maybe OP wrote in another language that the persons above do not understand?

Why is it so difficult to talk to people? Ask one of them to come down to the apartment, let them hear what the noise is when another persons does whatever they do that makes the noise.

moggy 17.02.2018 12:13

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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 2911449)
My goodness..... Maybe OP wrote in German and the tenants do not speak that? Maybe OP wrote in another language that the persons above do not understand?

Why is it so difficult to talk to people? Ask one of them to come down to the apartment, let them hear what the noise is when another persons does whatever they do that makes the noise.

The final sentence is great. Sometimes very difficult to have people answer their door bell at time that suits one.

curley 17.02.2018 12:56

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Originally Posted by bugger (Post 2911448)
Why? Cos they don't know how to read, just like somebody else here?

YES.

My neighbour had her parking space used by the antisocials from upstairs constantly even after the memo of the landlord.
Then the landlord had an active two days (which is quite remarkable as she is also more the antisocial type) and peppered out smses every few hours when a wrong car was there.
One of the culprits had the nerve to tell my neighbour after that:"Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know it was your space".

People tend to ignore written advice but when they have to face the person they contort and do anything to avoid this situation again. Even behave. :msnsarcastic:

Svein 17.02.2018 22:56

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Roegner, Post #7. We did in fact talk to them, it was the first thing we did - Language not a problem as they are both English speakers - however, he was not interested, he definitely did not make a noise, and he was not going to change his routine!

The past week has been good as he has been away travelling. What next week will bring we don't know yet.

Corbets 17.02.2018 23:10

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Originally Posted by Svein (Post 2911679)
Roegner, Post #7. We did in fact talk to them, it was the first thing we did - Language not a problem as they are both English speakers - however, he was not interested, he definitely did not make a noise, and he was not going to change his routine!

The past week has been good as he has been away travelling. What next week will bring we don't know yet.

For disruptively loud noises at night, give the police a ring. It seems petty, but itís whatís done around here.

Miostar 18.02.2018 08:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Svein (Post 2911679)
Roegner, Post #7. We did in fact talk to them, it was the first thing we did - Language not a problem as they are both English speakers - however, he was not interested, he definitely did not make a noise, and he was not going to change his routine!

The past week has been good as he has been away travelling. What next week will bring we don't know yet.

Is the transmission of the noise due to that way the house was built? Do you have underfloor heating?

t3m 20.02.2018 16:31

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It never ceases to amuse me all these problems with the high-level standard of housing. I'll assume an old building with wooden floor filled with cow dookie, you know, for good isolation, in this day and age. If you hear them, they surely hear you. But don't despair, you have the upper hand ó sort of, because you already talked and wrote, and now they know with certainty that you're annoyed. The traveller type can be a tough cookie, if that's not the primary domicile. And regardless, I'll go out on a limb and say that they might be doing it on purpose (you haven't described since when you have the problem, etc), because the bad soundproofing is two-way, and you might be getting up too early for your lovely neighbor. Since talking and writing doesn't help, and administration and police couldn't care less, and compromises and all that crap are generally for permit C holders or citizens (and not even then), let's say that you're allowed, even entitled to as much noise as they do. And if an ear for an ear is not enough, make it 10x. And walk around like you are Attila the Hun himself.


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