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Sorry if this has been answered before.

I'm looking at floor plans for a rental apartment in Basel but can't tell from the plan if there are fitted wardrobes. Are fitted wardrobes the norm in Swiss apartments? By fitted I mean the ones that are a kind of recess in the wall with (usually) sliding doors that sit flush to the wall. Here in the UK, I'd expect that for the norm and, when I lived in the US, my apartment had a generous amount of cupboard space including a double fitted wardrobe in the bedroom.


Sorry it's a random & weird question but my schedule wouldn't allow for an apartment-hunting trip to Basel so I'm being brave (or stupid) and trying to do it all via the internet and telephone.
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Re: Cupboards

While a few modern apartments have them, the vast majority of the apartments here do not have built-ins. So, plan to be buying wardrobes for each bedroom!

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Re: Cupboards

Thank you for the quick response. I guess buying wardrobes is no hardship although co-ordinating their arrival ahead of my stuff arriving might be entertaining!

Sadly, I speak no German and no Germanic languages so 'reading' German is not possible even though I can (sort of) read Old English. The apartment comlex's website probably has information about what's in each apartment but beyond knowing 'balkon' is 'balcony' I'm mostly clueless.
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Re: Cupboards

If you can give us a hint about what's on the website (words, phrases), we might be able to guide you through what is and what is not in the flat
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Thank you for the quick response. I guess buying wardrobes is no hardship although co-ordinating their arrival ahead of my stuff arriving might be entertaining!

Sadly, I speak no German and no Germanic languages so 'reading' German is not possible even though I can (sort of) read Old English. The apartment comlex's website probably has information about what's in each apartment but beyond knowing 'balkon' is 'balcony' I'm mostly clueless.
That's OK, many of us arrived here with the same (lack of) language skills!!
Let us know if there are any other things 'lost in translation'.

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Re: Cupboards

here is also a good website for you how to translate german to English or vice versa...
Hope that it will also help:
http://dict.leo.org/
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Re: Cupboards

I wasn't 'fishing' for translation Mopp but thank you for that. I know the kitchen has a dishwasher so that's my number one priority dealt with.

However, for the bedroom, I couldn't figure out anything from the blurb so I've copied & pasted. Sorry, lots of it is probably irrelevant but does it say 'cupboards'? And 'zimmer' is bedroom, right?

Zimmer
Bodenbelag: Parkett parallel verlegt, Ahorn
Wand: Rauhfaser gestrichen, weiss
Decke: Gestrichen, weiss
Türe: Stahlzargen deckend
gestrichen, Türblatt deckend gestrichen, weiss
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Re: Cupboards

It's all about the walls etc.

Rough translation:

Parkett flooring made from acorn laid parallel (scrap the acorn Mopp knows better than me!!)
White walls with coating (I think meaning painted)
White ceiling with coating
Doors: not quite sure about this one

Zimmer is room. Schlafzimmer is bedroom, literally translated as sleep room

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I wasn't 'fishing' for translation Mopp but thank you for that. I know the kitchen has a dishwasher so that's my number one priority dealt with.

However, for the bedroom, I couldn't figure out anything from the blurb so I've copied & pasted. Sorry, lots of it is probably irrelevant but does it say 'cupboards'? And 'zimmer' is bedroom, right?

Zimmer
Bodenbelag: Parkett parallel verlegt, Ahorn
Wand: Rauhfaser gestrichen, weiss
Decke: Gestrichen, weiss
Türe: Stahlzargen deckend
gestrichen, Türblatt deckend gestrichen, weiss
Bodenbelag: flooring = parkett, maple
Wand = walls - basic wallpaper, painted, white
Decke = ceiling - painted, white
Türe = door - no idea what Stahlzargen are, painted, white

No mention of furniture, but that's not usually included anyway. As has been said already, built-in cupboards are very rare. Zimmer is room, Schlafzimmer is bedroom.

Normally, Swiss flats count 2.5, 3.5, 4.5 etc. rooms
That means, 1.5 of your rooms will usually be large living room with dining area (that's the "half" room), the rest are bedrooms.
Kitchen, bathroom, possibly separate loo are not included in the room count.

Sorry - I've got to work now - if you need anything else, just pm
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Re: Cupboards

That's way more than I'd figured out! Thank you.

Obviously, I'm going to have to learn some German at some point but that's on the 'after I get there' list. I speak French & Spanish - neither any good to me in Basel - but mostly I find I need only utter the first syllable or two before a French or Spanish person switches to English! Yet 'parlez-vous anglais', 'habla ingles' or 'd'you speak English' gets blank looks from the same people.
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That's way more than I'd figured out! Thank you.

Obviously, I'm going to have to learn some German at some point but that's on the 'after I get there' list. I speak French & Spanish - neither any good to me in Basel - but mostly I find I need only utter the first syllable or two before a French or Spanish person switches to English! Yet 'parlez-vous anglais', 'habla ingles' or 'd'you speak English' gets blank looks from the same people.

You'll be surprised by how many French speakers are in Basel. As it's on the border of both France and Germany you get a lot of French people crossing the border to work in Switzerland. You'll probably get by better than I did when I first arrived
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Türe = door - no idea what Stahlzargen are, painted, white
Stahlzargen : Steel frames - so the borders around the door.. Have the same in my flat.

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That's way more than I'd figured out! Thank you.

Obviously, I'm going to have to learn some German at some point but that's on the 'after I get there' list. I speak French & Spanish - neither any good to me in Basel - but mostly I find I need only utter the first syllable or two before a French or Spanish person switches to English! Yet 'parlez-vous anglais', 'habla ingles' or 'd'you speak English' gets blank looks from the same people.

My advice is this: check out the place, or ask someone to check it out for you, visually before you commit to renting it.

Renting a place in Switzerland takes quite a fair bit of commitment on the length of rent, usually you can vacate only 3 times in a year, quarterly. You also need to put down a deposit and apply in person, etc.

Built-in cupboards can be the norm in some parts of Switzerland, but you normally have to buy some free standing wardrobe. (Pfister.ch is having sale now, as with most other furniture shops, but they take 6-8weeks to deliver).

You have to SEE the apartment to be sure.
I am not in Basel, but I am sure if you pay someone there /or from this forum, to go and check it out, it is less risky than just renting it via internet. (not even sure the swiss landlord will even rent to you)

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My advice is this: check out the place, or ask someone to check it out for you, visually before you commit to renting it.

Renting a place in Switzerland takes quite a fair bit of commitment on the length of rent, usually you can vacate only 3 times in a year, quarterly. You also need to put down a deposit and apply in person, etc.

Built-in cupboards can be the norm in some parts of Switzerland, but you normally have to buy some free standing wardrobe. (Pfister.ch is having sale now, as with most other furniture shops, but they take 6-8weeks to deliver).

You have to SEE the apartment to be sure.
I am not in Basel, but I am sure if you pay someone there /or from this forum, to go and check it out, it is less risky than just renting it via internet. (not even sure the swiss landlord will even rent to you)

HAT
Thanks for the sound advice, I'm prevaricating over whether to take an overnight trip out to view apartments (would need to be more than one to justify the expense & time from Aberdeen). My employer-to-be recommended the complex I'm looking at and are sure they can organise the lease and everything. I guess I just have to trust them when they say they're the type of employer who like to have happy employees and would therefore only be recommending somewhere pleasant to live. Apparently other members of staff live in the building, too so at least I'd know my neighbours! The lease conditions stuff is interesting - so I have to commit for three months?

It's all so confusing. Everything's been moving very fast. I applied for this job one week ago yesterday and am still stunned I got it. Every five minutes, I change my mind - it's like 'I'll ship my furniture over' / 'no I won't' / 'but I'll need some kind of shipping company for my books, computer, bicycle, clothes, etc' / 'oh b***** it, I'll just ship everything'

Y' know it'll all work out one way or another. What I don't bring over, I'll have to buy or do without.
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Re: Cupboards

your question on cupboards is not as silly as you think. remember to bring your electric screwdriver and make friends fast to help you build the cabinets that you buy at ikea or fly etc. you need someone to hold up one half while you fasten the other...
we've been in our house 2 months and still don't have all the cabinetspace we need...too lazy to start the buying, transporting, carrying up 3 floors, building with screwy manuals etc.
the positive side is that my better half is getting so handy with his favourite new toy (bought after blisters...) that he's considering doing other renovations as well...unheard of previously
good luck with the flat, basel is the most beautiful place with the greatests shop street and wonderful people!
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remember to bring your electric screwdriver and make friends fast to help you build the cabinets that you buy at ikea or fly etc. you need someone to hold up one half while you fasten the other...
Hmm, I'd forgotten the contortion involved in many flat pack procedures.

Luckily, my employer has contact details for someone who puts together the Ikea stuff and even meets you at Ikea to help bring all the boxes home!

That's a girly and defeatist way of tackling the joys of flatpack, I know but I'm using the 'it's all new to me' (Switzerland, not flat pack) excuse all the way! And I do want my wardrobes, etc. to stay upright for more than three seconds!
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Re: Cupboards

you are one smart cookie! i could learn from you...GI Jane tactics always get me in work...
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