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Strange situation with landlord and Nachmieter

Dear all,

We are moving out of our apartment.
Our rent ends on Jul 31.
So we started seeking for Nachmieter to be able to move out in the end of June and to avoid paying for July.
We showed our place to a bunch of people (around 20), and one of them today called us and said that he applied for it and got approved.
Besides him there might be other applicants. We do not know that, because our landlord does not report to us.
Our landlord also did not notify us about approving anybody.

Today that guy also told us that he agreed with our landlord that he will start renting from the middle of August.

Now I do not know what to do.
If he agreed with them , that probably means that I will have to pay for July anyway, right?
If there were other applicants and my landlord turned them away, do they have to disclose that?

Thank you!
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Re: Strange situation with landlord and Nachmieter

Have you introduced the people to your landlord and made it clear to the landlord that the person is willing to take over on a certain date (something you beforehand clearly agreed upon with the nachmieter)?

Or, have you just had open door and told all to just sort it out with the landlord and that's it?

Without knowing how things exactly went we cannot answer your question properly.

Besides everything you can always rent out your apartment for a month.
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Re: Strange situation with landlord and Nachmieter

There are several threads about this here https://www.englishforum.ch/search2.php?q=nachmieter
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There are several threads about this here https://www.englishforum.ch/search2.php?q=nachmieter
Nope this is different. And left me rather dumbfounded.

This went pretty wrong and, usually a fast thinker when it comes to stunts people pull, this time I don't have a good idea fast. In fact I think that one goes under "shit happens".

I could give you a few "next time"-tips but I guess you will be able to figure them out yourself

Yes you could rent it out for the one month but I suggest you don't for two reasons:
  • To do so you need the landlord to agree to subletting
  • The chance that you will have to cough up for dammages after is high
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Have you introduced the people to your landlord and made it clear to the landlord that the person is willing to take over on a certain date (something you beforehand clearly agreed upon with the nachmieter)?

Besides everything you can always rent out your apartment for a month.
I haven't. My landlord is a big company and they ignore any mean of contacting them except registered mail, so I did not even think about it.

In response to my move out notice my landlord sent me a bunch of empty application forms with their address, and I was giving them to every visitor who asked.
They also insisted that applications must be sent by mail, when I asked them for their email.
I also did not see any other advertisement than mine neither on my landlord's website nor on any big web real estate resources.

Unfortunately I can't sublet because I'm leaving the country.
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Nope this is different. And left me rather dumbfounded.

This went pretty wrong and, usually a fast thinker when it comes to stunts people pull, this time I don't have a good idea fast. In fact I think that one goes under "shit happens".

I could give you a few "next time"-tips but I guess you will be able to figure them out yourself

Yes you could rent it out for the one month but I suggest you don't for two reasons:
  • To do so you need the landlord to agree to subletting
  • The chance that you will have to cough up for dammages after is high
He does not need an agreement from the landlord, he needs the landlord to not being able to resist after being informed, something for which there is no reason if he does not make a profit and all else if fair and reasonable.
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I haven't. My landlord is a big company and they ignore any mean of contacting them except registered mail, so I did not even think about it.

In response to my move out notice my landlord sent me a bunch of empty application forms with their address, and I was giving them to every visitor who asked.
They also insisted that applications must be sent by mail, when I asked them for their email.
I also did not see any other advertisement than mine neither on my landlord's website nor on any big web real estate resources.

Unfortunately I can't sublet because I'm leaving the country.
Ah, o.k. This is a normal cancellation and absolutely not how you should have looked for a nachmieter, not much to be done about this anymore.
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Re: Strange situation with landlord and Nachmieter

And what was my mistake? I.e. how should I look for a Nachmieter?
(just for a tiny chance that this guy suddenly refuses to sign a contract).
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And what was my mistake? I.e. how should I look for a Nachmieter?
(just for a tiny chance that this guy suddenly refuses to sign a contract).
The easiest way is to fill in the formula with the Nachmieter and make sure the date of moving in is right. Then you send the formula to the landlord (after you made a copy )
If the Nachmieter doesn't want to do this on the spot (too much they have to look up at home) you could tell the Nachmieter to pass the formula on to you and you send it off to the landlo ...... see above.
Or you let the Nachmieter sign a paper that they are willing to take over the flat at such-and-such date and let them send the formula directly while you send the paper to the landlord after you made a copy

And yes, registered mail is a good idea in such cases.

Have it in writing is the magic solution in this country.
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Re: Strange situation with landlord and Nachmieter

So not only did you not get what you were aiming for but they also got you to do their dirty work for them - showing the appartment, handing out forms etc.

I have a strong inkling on who the company is. A "large company" tried something similar on us once but luckily we had been living in Switzerland long enough to know our rights and obligations.

I feel truly sorry for you!
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send a letter to the landlord to thank them and state that as they have decided to accept someone first by mid August instead the proposed 1st July, you are out of your obligation to pay for July.

might work.
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the large property companies have no ethics
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My experience runs opposite

They do things "by the book" and are far less stressful than private or smaller companies. Unless you don't bother with the niceties like many complainers here.

Give me Schaeppi G or Uster-AG anytime over the previous Verwaltwunts I dealth with.
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I haven't. My landlord is a big company and they ignore any mean of contacting them except registered mail, so I did not even think about it.

In response to my move out notice my landlord sent me a bunch of empty application forms with their address, and I was giving them to every visitor who asked.
They also insisted that applications must be sent by mail, when I asked them for their email.
I also did not see any other advertisement than mine neither on my landlord's website nor on any big web real estate resources.

Unfortunately I can't sublet because I'm leaving the country.
Do what I did twice in apartments: photocopy completed applicants forms and on each one detail they can move on X date which meets your needs. Put an add-on in the application form if need be to show they wish to move in on the 1st of x month. Send the agency/LL the copies and keep the originals. When you follow up, you quote the Mieterverband and remind them you can prove you have supplied them with prospective tenants who are able to pay and move in on the 1st of July.

Best to give them no wriggle room and you are off the hook from the 1st of July. If they wish to choose someone else who is moving in 2 months later, that's their business. You are still off the hook.

Have you any application forms left? Can you show the apartment again, tell the agency you need the tenant to take over from the 1st July as stipulated in previous communications with them and you are willing to supply them with more suitable tenants to choose from if need be.. quote the Mieterverband and see if you can get out of paying for the extra month.

Emails followed with registered letters to agency from here on.
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Re: Strange situation with landlord and Nachmieter

Why isn't the start date June 1st, who wanted to shift it? Would the new renter have wanted June 1st?
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Do what I did twice in apartments: photocopy completed applicants forms and on each one detail they can move on X date which meets your needs. Put an add-on in the application form if need be to show they wish to move in on the 1st of x month. Send the agency/LL the copies and keep the originals. When you follow up, you quote the Mieterverband and remind them you can prove you have supplied them with prospective tenants who are able to pay and move in on the 1st of July.

Best to give them no wriggle room and you are off the hook from the 1st of July. If they wish to choose someone else who is moving in 2 months later, that's their business. You are still off the hook.

Have you any application forms left? Can you show the apartment again, tell the agency you need the tenant to take over from the 1st July as stipulated in previous communications with them and you are willing to supply them with more suitable tenants to choose from if need be.. quote the Mieterverband and see if you can get out of paying for the extra month.

Emails followed with registered letters to agency from here on.
Or use the form for a nachmieter which is downloadable from this page.

https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv/miet...er-auszug.html
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