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Fog in Luzern - how bad is it?

Hi all,
Thinking of moving to Luzern.
How bad is the fog really there? I have seen some statistics where it seems like you won't see your outstretched hand for most of the year.
Having lived in Australia for 13 years and in Andorra now for 7 we have become very used to the sun and start getting semi-depressed after 3 days with overcast.
Are there any nice towns above the fog line with nice schools and good public transport into town?
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Hi all,
Thinking of moving to Luzern.
How bad is the fog really there? I have seen some statistics where it seems like you won't see your outstretched hand for most of the year.
No idea where you saw this but it's absolute nonsense. Luzern tends to have a lot of cloud cover in the winter, but not in summer, when it's as sunny a place as anywhere else. Fog like you're describing is very rare indeed.

So there is no 'fog line', but some lower altitudes, including many of the larger Swiss cities, do tend to be below a cloud line in winter, so can suffer from lack of sunshine. But on the plus side, none of them is more than a short train (or car, bus, bike) ride away from mountains which get loads of sun, winter as well as summer.
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Re: Fog in Luzern - how bad is it?

Hello, I live in both Basel and in Kanton Nidwalden 15 minutes outside of Lucerne. After over five years in Nidwalden during the week, I am moving back to Basel full-time in September due in part to the fairley extreme lack of sun between November and April, when there is often a 'Nebeldecke' and you barely see the sun for weeks depending on where you live. If you have to work, then you will probably work below the cloudcover where 99% of the jobs are, and would only be able to get to the sun on weekends. I have found it unberable and have had to take vitamin D and use a sunlamp every morning, and even then, it is not a substitute for more normal levels of light. Cheers
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Re: Fog in Luzern - how bad is it?

Thank you for your replies.
Two quite contradicting views here. We will be away during the summer school holidays, so it is the rest of the year which concerns us.
Hoping for more comments on this
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Thank you for your replies.
Two quite contradicting views here. We will be away during the summer school holidays, so it is the rest of the year which concerns us.
Hoping for more comments on this
Both the above answers are correct. You do not seem to understand the difference between fog and high-fog. Fog where you „can‘t see your outstretched hand“ is nonsense.

In all Swiss lowland towns, high fog or anticyclones gloom is a common feature of winters - ie dull days. You can go up a mountain and get above it. Which is more than you can do when this occurs in the UK...
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Thank you for your replies.
Two quite contradicting views here.
Not at all. You asked about fog "like you won't see your outstretched hand", which is not at all common. Cloud is persistent through most of the winter, but the cities are usually below the cloud layer, not in it.

I see AbFab's beaten me to it, and refers to it as 'high fog', which is a new one on me, but perhaps that's where your confusion comes from.
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Re: Fog in Luzern - how bad is it?

Thanks for the explanations!
So the low fog is not that common? Ie there is no point in trying to find a town at a higher altitude to be above the fog line as most of the time it is just cloudy rather than foggy.
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Thanks for the explanations!
So the low fog is not that common? Ie there is no point in trying to find a town at a higher altitude to be above the fog line as most of the time it is just cloudy rather than foggy.
That's true, but if you can face a longer commute, I would recommend living somewhere outside of the overcast zone.

I work in the Zurich area, but have lived for the last seven years in Glarnerland. The overcast literally ends in a wall at the mouth of the valley, and coming home in the evenings feels like breathing again after holding my breath all day.

I'm sorry I can't help with the specifics of such a property search in the Luzern region, but I'm sure somebody local would know where to look.
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Re: Fog in Luzern - how bad is it?

If you're moving to Luzern and want the most sun possible, look for a place on Sonnenberg.
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Re: Fog in Luzern - how bad is it?

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Re: Fog in Luzern - how bad is it?

Fog as described hasn't come true my attention once in the last quite a few years in LU.
I wouldn't make it a factor at all in selecting LU.
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Re: Fog in Luzern - how bad is it?

I don't know what statistics you have seen but any day with visibility less than 1 km, even if just in the morning, is classified as fog day. And there are 30-40 day at most in the winter semester according to the meteo service in Zürich Kloten which is the worst. From Luzern to the north in the whole Reuss valley is also a typical fog region. If you want aim for mountains and elevation but I mean, persistent fog during the day is probably pretty rare.
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Re: Fog in Luzern - how bad is it?

I have no idea why my post has brought on such negativity. That was not my intention. Maybe it is due to me not having English as my first language.
Maybe it was due to my exaggerated expression of "not being able to see your outstretched hand" which I regret now.

My concern is fog blocking the sun, whether it is high or low I don't care.

One set of statistics I saw were from this site:
http://www.chdata123.com/eu/ch/wette...statistik.html

Where it says that Luzern (amongst many other Swiss towns) have fog 80-90% of the winter days:
80-90% Nebeltage im Winterhalbjahr (fast nur Nebel): Genf / Genève, Yverdon, Payerne, Neuchâtel / Neuenburg, Zollikofen, Langenthal (dichter Nebel), Sursee, Luzern, Zug, Wädenswil, Meilen, Dübendorf, Uster

Maybe it is like Meerkat33 says just a bit of fog in the morning during those 80-90% winterdays

Which is why I posted on this forum as statistics can skew the truth in so many ways. I wanted some first-hand reports from people living in Luzern.
I understand that some persons need more sun than others. I am in the category of needing more (which is one reason I left my native Sweden for Australia as soon as I started working).
User Easterly reported having to take Vitamin D supplements and using a Sun Lamp. That is not a life I want to live
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I have no idea why my post has brought on such negativity. That was not my intention. Maybe it is due to me not having English as my first language.
Maybe it was due to my exaggerated expression of "not being able to see your outstretched hand" which I regret now.

My concern is fog blocking the sun, whether it is high or low I don't care.
There is no fog.

Native language skills notwithstanding, the difference between fog and cloud is quite clear.
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There is no fog.

Native language skills notwithstanding, the difference between fog and cloud is quite clear.
But it's less clear when reading/listening to German language sources, where the word Nebel tends to be used indiscriminately.
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I have no idea why my post has brought on such negativity. That was not my intention. Maybe it is due to me not having English as my first language.
Maybe it was due to my exaggerated expression of "not being able to see your outstretched hand" which I regret now.

My concern is fog blocking the sun, whether it is high or low I don't care.

One set of statistics I saw were from this site:
http://www.chdata123.com/eu/ch/wette...statistik.html

Where it says that Luzern (amongst many other Swiss towns) have fog 80-90% of the winter days:
80-90% Nebeltage im Winterhalbjahr (fast nur Nebel): Genf / Genève, Yverdon, Payerne, Neuchâtel / Neuenburg, Zollikofen, Langenthal (dichter Nebel), Sursee, Luzern, Zug, Wädenswil, Meilen, Dübendorf, Uster

Maybe it is like Meerkat33 says just a bit of fog in the morning during those 80-90% winterdays

Which is why I posted on this forum as statistics can skew the truth in so many ways. I wanted some first-hand reports from people living in Luzern.
I understand that some persons need more sun than others. I am in the category of needing more (which is one reason I left my native Sweden for Australia as soon as I started working).
User Easterly reported having to take Vitamin D supplements and using a Sun Lamp. That is not a life I want to live
Andy, don't take it too personally or seriously. You never know how people can react on pretty much anything on a public forum, it has little to do with your language skills.
The good part is that you received some competent answers, just leave it at that.

Btw, st2lemans enjoys groaning and thanking at people's posts, he does it in jest though....nothing to worry about. :-)
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Re: Fog in Luzern - how bad is it?

Pilatus (the mountain) often has clouds form over and around it, blocking a bit of the mid to late afternoon sun.

Aptly named, Sonnenberg is South-facing and doesn't lay in Pilatus' shadow. Often in the winter when i'm cursing the cold and grey from my apartment balcony, I look over at idyllic Sonnenberg and dream of an even nicer place to live (IMO i've got perfect location, but would prefer a house to an apt., plus the additional sun...)

There isn't that much development on Sonnenberg, it's still all ag. zone and forest as you approach the ridge, but the neighborhoods there above Kriens/Eichhof definitely get more sun than anywhere else around.

Besides that, Adligenswil is a nearby town that is situated a little higher and might also get more sun than average for Luzern.

Whatever you do, OP, don't move to Hergiswil.
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