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Old 13.09.2018, 14:23
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Property viewing scam

"If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

When a Swiss homebuyer went online recently and spotted a terrace house for sale in Aesch in the canton Basel-Landschaft for just 300,000 Swiss francs, her interest was piqued.

After enquiring about the property, she received a message from someone who gave her name as Catalina Arnal. The woman said she was a Spanish doctor who had lived in the house for a year. She went on to say she had no time to arrange the sale of the house and had handed that task over to an international firm called Partner Real Estate.

The potential buyer was then contacted by a so-called agent who gave her name as Laura Watson and requested a payment of 12,000 francs for a viewing of the house. This was an expression of interest, not a deposit, the intermediary said.

That’s when alarm bells rang for the home buyer, according to Swiss news portal 20 Minuten.

She started doing some digging and found out that no one called Catalina Arnal had ever worked at the Basel hospital she claimed to be employed by.

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It has since emerged that Partner Real Estate is a fake real estate firm.

However, the firm’s website, now taken down, stole the details of actual listed properties from other legitimate websites. The owner of the property in Aesch had no idea that the house was being listed on the Partner Real Estate site.

A spokesperson for cantonal prosecutors in Basel-Landschaft said Partner Real Estate had not done anything illegal by setting up the site and noted it would be very hard for anyone to recover money they had handed over.

The spokesperson warned people to take care when coming across deals that looked like bargains."

https://www.thelocal.ch/20180912/swi...r-home-viewing

Wtf! Can't take any action? It's fraud for a start.
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Old 13.09.2018, 14:26
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It's only fraud if you can proof that they cannot deliver what they sell.
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Old 13.09.2018, 14:28
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It's only fraud if you can proof that they cannot deliver what they sell.
...which seems to be very much the case here.
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Old 13.09.2018, 14:46
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The fake agent is probably a back room in Nigeria or Russia or China. What are the Swiss police going to do about that? Almost impossible to catch these crooks, the only thing that can be done is educate people about this type of scam.

To most of us it probably screams scam in the first minutes of seeing an offer like this, but many people do fall for them which is why they continue.
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Old 13.09.2018, 14:58
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The fake agent is probably a back room in Nigeria or Russia or China. What are the Swiss police going to do about that? Almost impossible to catch these crooks, the only thing that can be done is educate people about this type of scam.

To most of us it probably screams scam in the first minutes of seeing an offer like this, but many people do fall for them which is why they continue.
Yep.

Would it have been towards somebody in who's culture such "act of interest" would be normal or somebody thinking such would be normal here, a mistake due to lack of knowledge of laziness in wanting to seeing proof before money is transferred is easily made.
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Old 13.09.2018, 15:02
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Re: Property viewing scam

this is just a very basic scam. there are more elaborate ones where hackers hack into the systems of estate agents or lawyers handling real property deals and wait for the transaction phase. they then send send/modify emails for when the deposit is supposed to be transferred and provide their own bank details and make off with the money.
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Old 13.09.2018, 15:05
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Re: Property viewing scam

It is not clear that the interested purchaser actually handed over the SFr 12'000. Or have I missed something ?
Real estate transactions must be registered in the property register (Grundbuch) to be legally binding, requiring the services of a Notar.
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Old 13.09.2018, 15:22
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This is not even basic, it's plain stupidity !


Pay to view a house you want to buy....yeah right.


A house that is 50% of any other hovel in a 100km radius........ yeah right
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Old 13.09.2018, 15:32
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You seem to know an awful lot about that....
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Old 13.09.2018, 17:56
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no transaction = no scam
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Old 13.09.2018, 18:32
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This is not even basic, it's plain stupidity !


Pay to view a house you want to buy....yeah right.


A house that is 50% of any other hovel in a 100km radius........ yeah right
Have to agree with this... if you fall for this obvious nonsense then you are a few sandwiches short of a picnic and deserve little sympathy.
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no transaction = no scam
So Intent is not a thing in Swiss Law according to you?
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Old 13.09.2018, 20:16
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Have to agree with this... if you fall for this obvious nonsense then you are a few sandwiches short of a picnic and deserve little sympathy.

Few sandwiches short......the bloody picnic is not even on the agenda, let alone in sight !
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Re: Property viewing scam

"She went on to say she had no time to arrange the sale of the house and had handed that task over to an international firm called Partner Real Estate."

At this point you can clearly see that is a scam
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"She went on to say she had no time to arrange the sale of the house and had handed that task over to an international firm called Partner Real Estate."

At this point you can clearly see that is a scam
What is weird on having an agency handling the sale of your house if you don't feel like doing it yourself or already are out of the country and thus viewings and al such is just to much hassle?

The 12K is what makes it weird, the low price should also ring some bells, having an agency handling it is what I and many others did.
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What is weird on having an agency handling the sale of your house if you don't feel like doing it yourself or already are out of the country and thus viewings and al such is just to much hassle?
it's how i've bought my house. the only difference is that the agency was reliable and well-known.
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this is just a very basic scam. there are more elaborate ones where hackers hack into the systems of estate agents or lawyers handling real property deals and wait for the transaction phase. they then send send/modify emails for when the deposit is supposed to be transferred and provide their own bank details and make off with the money.

I do agree, there are several varieties of scam involving properties. In Switzerland such scam involving properties in Spain has come to some notoriety. Don't think it is a "spanish speciality", but just due to be a favorite place to buy a house or similar. Also the scam with holiday flats in Spain is well known.
This site (german) lists not less than 16 varieties of scams : https://www.schutz-vor-immobilienbetrug.ch/betrug.html
https://realestateagentspain.com/de/...ung-vor-betrug

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What is weird on having an agency handling the sale of your house if you don't feel like doing it yourself or already are out of the country and thus viewings and al such is just to much hassle?

The 12K is what makes it weird, the low price should also ring some bells, having an agency handling it is what I and many others did.
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it's how i've bought my house. the only difference is that the agency was reliable and well-known.
The way it's written in English (to a native English speaker) just screams of scam. Partly it's the "too much information" that these scammers always feel they have to give, I think they all went to the same Scam College.
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What IDIOT would be talked into paying 12000 CHF to view a house.
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Old 14.09.2018, 09:47
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Few sandwiches short......the bloody picnic is not even on the agenda, let alone in sight !
Is this where a person would be called a basket case?.
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