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The problem of me going back to Brazil is that i have no money, No family support. To get granted a visa in Brazil you must prove that you have a job and can pay for your trip.
For a tourist visa, i'm required to have a substantial amount of money to travel. And i cannot stay longer.
For a marriage visa it will take about 6 months for the whole process to finish and to be granted a visa IF everything goes well.
Why do you even need a visa if you are a Brazilian citizen?

Not meaning to doubt, but asking a genuine question, since I totally second doropfiz' suggestion re both of you going back to your respective countries and then trying to work out things from 'home ground'.
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Why do you even need a visa if you are a Brazilian citizen?
I took OP to mean that visa as "for the USA" (where he would be a foreigner) not "for Brazil" (where he can return any time).
The visa would/could be obtained by the Bazilian, while he is in Brazil, for entering the USA.
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Why do you even need a visa if you are a Brazilian citizen?

Not meaning to doubt, but asking a genuine question, since I totally second doropfiz' suggestion re both of you going back to your respective countries and then trying to work out things from 'home ground'.
I need a visa to to to the US.
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Re: We Need Some Help!

Let me be blunt, since you don't seem to want to listen to the more gentle advice that others have offered.

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To get granted a visa in Brazil you must prove that you have a job and can pay for your trip.
For a tourist visa, i'm required to have a substantial amount of money to travel. And i cannot stay longer.
If you are trying for a US visa, these requirements are fixed no matter from where in the world you are applying. Without the proper funds you will never be granted what you seek, so you must either go home so that you can legally work until you can demonstrate that you have the funds independently or let your partner go home and begin the long process of sponsoring your immigration from within the US.

Adding to this problem is the fact that you have now overstayed your original visa/visa waiver in Switzerland. Part of the Schengen agreement is the mutual sharing of data regarding illegal immigration; no country wants to grant visas to people with a history of overstaying their welcome. Right now, there is a small possibility that no one in the Swiss bureaucracy has noticed yet that you have overstayed. If you go to a US consulate in Switzerland requesting a visa, you will be outing yourself; the US officials will want to see your papers legitimizing your stay in Switzerland before even considering you for a visa to the US. The expired visa and an entrance stamp without the leaving stamp in your passport will make them immediately suspicious. It is likely that you will be turned over to the Swiss for deportation back to Brazil. Moreover, once you are on that shared illegal immigrant database, your odds of EVER obtaining a US or Schengen visa drop dramatically.

When others are advising you to split up and head to your respective homes in order to be able to work towards what you are hoping to achieve, it is because that is the best and probably only way to get what you want. Insisting on remaining here is folly and will only hurt your chances of success.
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Re: We Need Some Help!

Brilliantly summarised, Tox_Rat!
OP, I imagine that's not what you want to hear. But I really can't see any other way for you and your partner to get together.

You are both already illegal here, so you are not going to get permission to live in Switzerland, nor in any of the Shengen countries.

The biggest chance you will ever have of joining your partner in the USA lies in your hurrying home to Brazil to get your life back on track, i.e. become legal again, get work, start saving. I understand that you suffered anti-gay troubles in Brazil, but you don't have to go back to the same conservative place. Perhaps you'd have a better environment in São Paulo or Rio.

The biggest chance your partner will ever have of organising a visa for you to enter the USA to be with him lies in his accepting the help of his government now (because that is the fastest way for him to return to the USA in an orderly way), then he, too, will be legally in his own country, can get work, and start saving.
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Old 09.10.2018, 23:05
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Have you tried prostitution?

It's legal here!

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Re: We Need Some Help!

Why are you even asking for help? You are homeless by choice, so that you can continue to be an illegal resident in this country. Un-f'n-believable.
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Re: We Need Some Help!

I should also add that the US will repatriate its citizens-in-need abroad (your partner), but that these services are not offered free-of-charge to the user. He will be asked to sign a promissory note and will have to repay the State Department for their help once he gets back home. The service is expensive and they don't often tell you the eye-watering price upfront. I'm not sure how this applies in the case of a deportation, though.

I would not go down this road if I had ANY way to avoid it. My thought is that if you are going to have to pay the equivalent price of a first-class ticket, you might as well get to fly first class.
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Why are you even asking for help? You are homeless by choice, so that you can continue to be an illegal resident in this country. Un-f'n-believable.
Why ask for help? Well, if the part about the sudden, severe medical history of the partner is true, and the part about having slept under a bridge, and if the OP feels he has no home to which to return, then I can sympathise - speaking pure emotionally - if OP is, by now, exhausted.

He may perhaps not be thinking very clearly and might be finding it difficult to figure out what to do. He may be very young. His partner may be very afraid or may be putting him under pressure. He might have thought his money would suffice and now finds it has run out more quickly than he ever could have dreamed.

All in all, maybe when one just doesn't know what to do next… that's a good time (at the latest) to ask for advice, so many minds can shed light on the matter from different sides, so he can work out how to start to untangle the mess.
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Old 10.10.2018, 01:03
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As i said... 2 pastors blocked my emails. and the other 13 churches i wrote on one said they would look into our case, but the pastor is in London righ tnow.
Neither of you are in danger, you are both able to go back to your own countries but you choose not to. I see absolutely no reason for charities to use their limited resources on this kind of nonsense!
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I should also add that the US will repatriate its citizens-in-need abroad (your partner), but that these services are not offered free-of-charge to the user.
A bit off topic from the OP, but a comment and cautionary tale, based on the recent experience of a American tourist who had everything stolen in Zürich:

The tourist above had nothing, not a Rappen to her name, no ID, no phone, no credit cards - all had been stolen on the train. Not a good position to be in, alone in one of the most expensive countries in the world.

There was no help from either at the consulate or the embassy. The tourist stranded in Zürich had to come up with the cost of a replacement passport (120 IIRC) - no money, no passport. And the consulate cannot issue an emergency passport, one has to find the funds to get to Bern.

The only help the embassy offered was to email the emergency contact listed on her passport file*, and to give her the address of the Salvation Army homeless shelter in Bern.

The stranded tourist asked about an emergency loan, and would have happily signed a promisory note for any amount - but she was told that the embassy does not offer financial help of any kind.

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I don't know if this is a change in State dept policy, or not. But this tourist's experience was quite different from what I had always heard that the embassy would do to help a citizen stranded abroad.

Lesson learned: Don't count on the embassy, when traveling always make plans for someone back home who could organize emergency financial help.




* To make the situation worse: What would you do when out of the blue you get an email saying a family member was stranded and please wire money? You'd probably assume it was another of those annoying phishing schemes and ignore it. Like the tourist's emergency contact person did.
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Re: We Need Some Help!

Thanks for sharing this tale, meloncollie. How was it resolved, for her? Did you and/or some other kind souls help her?

This is a very good point:
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What would you do when out of the blue you get an email saying a family member was stranded and please wire money? You'd probably assume it was another of those annoying phishing schemes and ignore it. Like the tourist's emergency contact person did.
Perhaps before setting off, one should agree on a code-word with those friends or family who would step in to help in an emergency, so they could distinguish a real cry for help and funds, from a phishing scam.
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HUG. If you know someone there, you can check his files.
And who paid for all the time in hospital?
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A bit off topic from the OP, but a comment and cautionary tale, based on the recent experience of a American tourist who had everything stolen in Zürich:

The tourist above had nothing, not a Rappen to her name, no ID, no phone, no credit cards - all had been stolen on the train. Not a good position to be in, alone in one of the most expensive countries in the world.

There was no help from either at the consulate or the embassy. The tourist stranded in Zürich had to come up with the cost of a replacement passport (120 IIRC) - no money, no passport. And the consulate cannot issue an emergency passport, one has to find the funds to get to Bern.

The only help the embassy offered was to email the emergency contact listed on her passport file*, and to give her the address of the Salvation Army homeless shelter in Bern.

The stranded tourist asked about an emergency loan, and would have happily signed a promisory note for any amount - but she was told that the embassy does not offer financial help of any kind.

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I don't know if this is a change in State dept policy, or not. But this tourist's experience was quite different from what I had always heard that the embassy would do to help a citizen stranded abroad.

Lesson learned: Don't count on the embassy, when traveling always make plans for someone back home who could organize emergency financial help.




* To make the situation worse: What would you do when out of the blue you get an email saying a family member was stranded and please wire money? You'd probably assume it was another of those annoying phishing schemes and ignore it. Like the tourist's emergency contact person did.
Well Melancholie it would depend which members of the family were stranded.
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Old 10.10.2018, 08:45
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A bit off topic from the OP, but a comment and cautionary tale, based on the recent experience of a American tourist who had everything stolen in Zürich:

The tourist above had nothing, not a Rappen to her name, no ID, no phone, no credit cards - all had been stolen on the train. Not a good position to be in, alone in one of the most expensive countries in the world.

There was no help from either at the consulate or the embassy. The tourist stranded in Zürich had to come up with the cost of a replacement passport (120 IIRC) - no money, no passport. And the consulate cannot issue an emergency passport, one has to find the funds to get to Bern.

The only help the embassy offered was to email the emergency contact listed on her passport file*, and to give her the address of the Salvation Army homeless shelter in Bern.

The stranded tourist asked about an emergency loan, and would have happily signed a promisory note for any amount - but she was told that the embassy does not offer financial help of any kind.

---

I don't know if this is a change in State dept policy, or not. But this tourist's experience was quite different from what I had always heard that the embassy would do to help a citizen stranded abroad.

Lesson learned: Don't count on the embassy, when traveling always make plans for someone back home who could organize emergency financial help.




* To make the situation worse: What would you do when out of the blue you get an email saying a family member was stranded and please wire money? You'd probably assume it was another of those annoying phishing schemes and ignore it. Like the tourist's emergency contact person did.
It's true. The Embassy will not even pay for his tickets to go to Bern. There is a US Consulate here in Geneva, but they only take care of Swiss People's Visas to go to America.
They advised my partner to go to Bern. No matter where a US citizen is stranded , he must go to Bern(by any means) to ask for hep at the Embassy.

We also thought the Embassy would do anything to help. They do... Once you are AT their front door.

They mentioned about giving him 500 USD + Passport + Ticket back home, but, as i said, he MUST be T the Embassy. They won't pay for him to go to Bern.

At this point, i was approached by someone from the forum who lives here in Geneva. She wants to meet in person and talk(which it was what i wanted).

I want to thank you all for the answers - even the smart ass ones - Thank you mostly Doropfiz and Tox_Rat
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And who paid for all the time in hospital?
Part of it was paid by his insurance. He will have to pay the rest.
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I need a visa to to to the US.



They on special offer in the Migros this week, but hurry as the offer is only valid whilst stocks last.....
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At this point, i was approached by someone from the forum who lives here in Geneva. She wants to meet in person and talk(which it was what i wanted).
I'm struck by this… this forum can be a wonderful place!

I hadn't realised that what you mainly wanted was someone to talk to. Although you did write
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We can meet if y'all want to know us better and know more details about our situation. Jett
I had understood your thread rather as being about figuring out a way forward.
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If y'all have any suggestions to help get our situation resolved, we would appreciate very very much.
What's happening, Jett? Do you feel you're getting any closer to working out solutions?
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I hadn't realised that what you mainly wanted was someone to talk to.
Funny, that was not my impression.
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I'm struck by this… this forum can be a wonderful place!

I hadn't realised that what you mainly wanted was someone to talk to. Although you did write
I had understood your thread rather as being about figuring out a way forward.


What's happening, Jett? Do you feel you're getting any closer to working out solutions?
Yes.
The person will gives some legal advise(she is lawyer) and also she has some connections.

Thanks you
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