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Negotiations of rental price

Hi folks,

I have tried to find a similar thread on the forum but w/o success. How would that work in Switzerland? If the house / apartment is on the market for X months is that acceptable to come with a counter offer, such as we will pay you 0-20% less than asking price and to cover that we would like to take a contract for 3Y?

We are moving soon to the Basel area, and did found couple places which I would like to visit, strange enough they are on market for a while... which to our experience from other European countries equals to "Ouch... Somethings is wrong with this one..."

Thanks a lot
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

My experience with negotiations is that it is largely fruitless. I tried it with the first place I looked and was shut down pretty quickly. The place stayed on the market for another 9 months.
In my current place I tried to negotiate the cost of the garage. That conversation went something like this:


Landlord, ""The price for the garage is CHF180"
Me, "I would like to pay CHF150 for the garage"
Landlord, "The price is CHF180"
Me, "OK, sounds fine"


With mortgages super low, it seems that landlords are willing to sit on places as opposed to negotiating. It's worth a go, if a place has been on the market for a bit, but it may knock you out of the running.
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

I don't think a landlord will reduce rate unless the apartment is really unacttractive, but sometimes you see offers where you get 1-2 months rent for free.
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

A lot of people don't need the money here, either it rents for Chf xxxx.xx or it stands empty.
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

Hi guys

I am 6 days in Switzerland and looking for an apartment in Brugg AG.
Basically the same question - what about negotiation?

I read all past threads which are rather old and I believe that the context could change - you know, globalization, COVID-19 and people becoming nicer in general :-)


My case:
I want to rent a nice-looking, freshly renovated apart (stuffed with washing machine, dishwasher and so on) in Brugg AG from the company. The aparts seem like a really nice catch but a bit remote and it feels like I am the only person viewing (and applying) so far. The agent was very nice to me and it felt like “normal country” market deal, when the sales tries to convince you to rent their stuff and not other way around.

My rule is to negotiate every time and everywhere because the worst thing can happen - they just say no and you stay with what you had before. Here I could also be reasonable because I have seen other properties of the same kind with lower price. So I am not just making numbers up, but rather compare offers.


The question:
Would you negotiate at the step when the company calls you to say you are chosen one? Now, in autumn 2020, in rather small city like Brugg.
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Old 07.10.2020, 16:24
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

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Hi guys

I am 6 days in Switzerland and looking for an apartment in Brugg AG.
Basically the same question - what about negotiation?

I read all past threads which are rather old and I believe that the context could change - you know, globalization, COVID-19 and people becoming nicer in general :-)


My case:
I want to rent a nice-looking, freshly renovated apart (stuffed with washing machine, dishwasher and so on) in Brugg AG from the company. The aparts seem like a really nice catch but a bit remote and it feels like I am the only person viewing (and applying) so far. The agent was very nice to me and it felt like “normal country” market deal, when the sales tries to convince you to rent their stuff and not other way around.

My rule is to negotiate every time and everywhere because the worst thing can happen - they just say no and you stay with what you had before. Here I could also be reasonable because I have seen other properties of the same kind with lower price. So I am not just making numbers up, but rather compare offers.


The question:
Would you negotiate at the step when the company calls you to say you are chosen one? Now, in autumn 2020, in rather small city like Brugg.
No idea, but have a bump since you posted this late yesterday.
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

It's definitely worth a try..

We're paying 1k less than the previous tenants..
We noticed the place was advertised in a couple of places, under different names at different prices. We said we wanted it but only at the lowest price..

A previous place we rented went for 600 less than we were paying.. Because the new people again just said they wanted it at that price.

All they can say is no.. If you are not desperate, why not.
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Hi guys

I am 6 days in Switzerland and looking for an apartment in Brugg AG.
Basically the same question - what about negotiation?

I read all past threads which are rather old and I believe that the context could change - you know, globalization, COVID-19 and people becoming nicer in general :-)


My case:
I want to rent a nice-looking, freshly renovated apart (stuffed with washing machine, dishwasher and so on) in Brugg AG from the company. The aparts seem like a really nice catch but a bit remote and it feels like I am the only person viewing (and applying) so far. The agent was very nice to me and it felt like “normal country” market deal, when the sales tries to convince you to rent their stuff and not other way around.

My rule is to negotiate every time and everywhere because the worst thing can happen - they just say no and you stay with what you had before. Here I could also be reasonable because I have seen other properties of the same kind with lower price. So I am not just making numbers up, but rather compare offers.


The question:
Would you negotiate at the step when the company calls you to say you are chosen one? Now, in autumn 2020, in rather small city like Brugg.
It all depends on the landlord.

When I was looking to rent a place a while back, I emailed the landlord offering the place (after doing an inspection of the property with him, and getting good feedback as well as liking the place) and asked if he would drop the rent by 150 francs a month (just under 4% of the rent, but it made a significant difference to my monthly budget). He replied that he would reduce it by 100 francs a month and upgrade the heating to a more modern system which should also save money (before I moved in).

In the end I didn't apply to rent the apartment, as other things were going on which made moving not possible at the time, but it shows that you can negotiate with some landlords.
Yes, he is Swiss, and owns a few properties which he rents out.
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Hi guys

I am 6 days in Switzerland and looking for an apartment in Brugg AG.
Basically the same question - what about negotiation?

I read all past threads which are rather old and I believe that the context could change - you know, globalization, COVID-19 and people becoming nicer in general :-)


My case:
I want to rent a nice-looking, freshly renovated apart (stuffed with washing machine, dishwasher and so on) in Brugg AG from the company. The aparts seem like a really nice catch but a bit remote and it feels like I am the only person viewing (and applying) so far. The agent was very nice to me and it felt like “normal country” market deal, when the sales tries to convince you to rent their stuff and not other way around.

My rule is to negotiate every time and everywhere because the worst thing can happen - they just say no and you stay with what you had before. Here I could also be reasonable because I have seen other properties of the same kind with lower price. So I am not just making numbers up, but rather compare offers.


The question:
Would you negotiate at the step when the company calls you to say you are chosen one? Now, in autumn 2020, in rather small city like Brugg.
Go for it. The worst they can say is no.

BTW we Frickers see Brugg as the bright big city
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

If you are dealing with the owner directly you have a chance. If you are dealing with a regie, forget it. They likely wouldn’t even pass on the offer to the owner. Their commission is based on the rent and there is no way they are going to do that.
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

District Brugg has an upward trend of empty flats and houses. The district is more than just the city. There are approx. 500 3 and 4 room (includes living room) places empty in the district of Brugg (population 50k).
https://www.ag.ch/de/dfr/statistik/s...e_10_95873.jsp

In the whole city of Zurich (population 400k) there are in total just around 340 empty apartments/houses.
https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/prd/de/...szaehlung.html
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

Thank you all guys, I really appreciate your answers! So I will try and let you know if I was sucessfull.

it's MONEY TIME, baby!


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Well, after living in Moscow and Hamburg for the last 15 years, it will take some time to consider Brugg a bright big city

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It's definitely worth a try..

We're paying 1k less than the previous tenants..

A previous place we rented went for 600 less than we were paying..
I am kinda trying to negotiate around 100 fr But it is not about the amount, it is rather sticking to your principles.

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It all depends on the landlord.

When I was looking to rent a place a while back, I emailed the landlord offering the place (after doing an inspection of the property with him, and getting good feedback as well as liking the place) and asked if he would drop the rent by 150 francs a month (just under 4% of the rent, but it made a significant difference to my monthly budget). He replied that he would reduce it by 100 francs a month and upgrade the heating to a more modern system which should also save money (before I moved in).

In the end I didn't apply to rent the apartment, as other things were going on which made moving not possible at the time, but it shows that you can negotiate with some landlords.
Yes, he is Swiss, and owns a few properties which he rents out.
Yep, sounds like a reasonable human behaviour. But here of course you had to deal with the decision maker directly, so it involves more emotions from his side. I am dealing with the company, which makes the whole process rather impersonal for the landlord.

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District Brugg has an upward trend of empty flats and houses. The district is more than just the city. There are approx. 500 3 and 4 room (includes living room) places empty in the district of Brugg (population 50k).
https://www.ag.ch/de/dfr/statistik/s...e_10_95873.jsp

In the whole city of Zurich (population 400k) there are in total just around 340 empty apartments/houses.
https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/prd/de/...szaehlung.html
This is super useful, thank you! From this article I also assume that it makes sense to rent rather new and freshly renovated apartment in Brugg because it will make it easier to find the successor tenant if I decide to move to somewhere else? But in any case, as the market in AG has lower liquidity, it will take some time.
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

No reason not to try! Some landlords are just to obstinate and it seems the Swiss way is you don't negotiate on price. As one business once told me "we are not some middle eastern souk!!". It's also wrong in many cases to assume they are too rich and don't need the rent. They do need it but to them to offer at a lower price is alien so they'd rather go without than give in.


From my side, I'm always wiling to negotiate, but try and get something in return, for example a 2 or 3 year fixed term. At the end of the day all landlords need a return and long voids are never good, since the longer it's on the market the more potential tenants shy away, as they assume it must have problems - or be too expensive!!
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

My only experience with 'negotiating' on advertised pricing was with a 2nd hand car. I couldn't get them to even consider 80 CHF from 21k price

No harm in trying but keep your expectations low
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

We had shortlisted 2 houses. Both landlords offered us a 5-10% reduction when asked.
Absolutely, no harm in trying. But in our case, it was a relocation agent who did the talking.
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Re: Negotiations of rental price

Hi guys

Thank you all again for your valuable feedbacks. I negotiated with the agency and wanna share some results here in case somebody else finds it useful in the future.

- The rental price was impossible to change.
- The contract terms (minimum duration, cancellation dates) were super flexible so I pushed the agency to cancel minimum duration, and also to make the moving dates to be every month (except December). It was rather easy discussion so I assume the agents are fully flexible here.
- The deposit was 2x monthly rent. Which is better than 3x for my other offers.
- I can move to the flat in advance, before my contract officially starts.

Having in total 3 offers on my hands was a great asset to my power of persuasion.


So, long story short, yeah, always negotiate.
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