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Working in Pfäffikon - Freienbach SZ - Help where to live

Hi guys,


Most probably I will get an offer to work in Pfäffikon - Freienbach SZ area.


We (2 adults + 7 years old kid) are currently located in Fribourg, Switzerland. It is very far to think about a daily commute so a moving would be necessary.


Here I would need some tips where you think could be the best places where we could live. I've been a couple of times in Pfäffikon for F2C interview and honestly I did not see it interesting for a family life (I could be wrong but it was my first impression)



We are quite happy in Fribourg, as we like the life style we get here. It is a medium size city, we live in the outskirts of the city in a quiet area but it allows us to arrive downtown easily in 15 minutes walking. We have most of the services we need and there are kids enough in the area, so my family has an acceptable social life.


We do not like big cities, just a medium size like Fribourg is offering us. Considering these would be our preferences, do you know any places where we could move and the commute time to work should not be very long?


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Re: Working in Pfäffikon - Freienbach SZ - Help where to live

Personally, I’d live In Pfäffikon and take advantage of the tax situation. However, nearby towns that are bigger and an easy commute (car or train) would be Wädenswil in canton Zurich - same side of the lake or Rapperswil in canton St Gallen - otherside of the bridge. I also really like Lachen which is a bit further down the lake, but it may be too small for you.
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Personally, I’d live In Pfäffikon and take advantage of the tax situation. However, nearby towns that are bigger and an easy commute (car or train) would be Wädenswil in canton Zurich - same side of the lake or Rapperswil in canton St Gallen - otherside of the bridge. I also really like Lachen which is a bit further down the lake, but it may be too small for you.
If you commute by car you don't want to cross that bridge twice a day really (Is there any other way to get accross that bridge apart from on foot/bicycle of course?)
Rapperswil is a bitch re traffic.
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If you commute by car you don't want to cross that bridge twice a day really (Is there any other way to get accross that bridge apart from on foot/bicycle of course?)
Rapperswil is a bitch re traffic.
Depending on the time of day, it’s not so bad. However the other way is by train. It’s about 5 minutes from Rapperswil to Pfäffikon and a little longer (and less frequent) to Freienbach. Ease of commute by public transport would depend where the OP is working in the village(s) and what the transport is like on the home side of the commute.

I really wouldn’t discount living there either. I count at least 4 schools in the Gemeinde, shops for everyday, Seedamm Centre for a lot more shopping, Alpemare water park, a Badi, a few restaurants, the lakeside is lovely, quick transport links to Zurich and the mountains (train and Autobahn), plenty of nature etc.
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Re: Working in Pfäffikon - Freienbach SZ - Help where to live

All the villages around that end of the Zürichsee and Obersee are nice, you really wouldn't go wrong chosing any of them.

Be aware, though, that with the exception of Rapperswil, which is a proper town, (and lovely!) they are indeed villages. You will find everything you need in each, but you are talking about a scale smaller than Fribourg. For amenities, social life, etc., I think in terms of the region, not individual villages.

Ease of commute really depends on whether you are going by car or train. I cross the bridge between Pfäffikon and Rapperswil regularly; if you are able to structure your day so that you are not commuting peak rush hour it isn't bad. Train is easy-peasy.

Come out for a weekend, hop on all the trains that run direct to Pfäffikon, get off at each stop and look around. If you plan to commute by car you could even go farther out.

As Eyebeebee says, there is a significant tax difference between the Höfe towns and the rest of SZ, that difference becomes larger if you chose to live in ZH or SG.

I don't have children, so can't comment on area schools, hopefully someone who does will come along soon.

All the best with the decision...
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Re: Working in Pfäffikon - Freienbach SZ - Help where to live

Einsiedeln is a nice little town with an easy commute down to Pfäffikon. Taxes higher than Feienbach but still much lower than anywhere in Zurich.

If you like the outdoors, it’s great as you have everything at your doorstep.
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Re: Working in Pfäffikon - Freienbach SZ - Help where to live

Many thanks to every one who posted (I believe I still don't have the thanks option enabled)


I am checking any of the places you posted to understand my possibilities.


Just to update a bit more my initial post, here are my thoughts by now:


  • I could commute by car or public transport. I would prefer public transport although I would not discard to use my private car if this would bring a noticeable advantage
  • Unfortunately, my salary is not going to be super high, so what I was seeing is that the tax savings I could have in some villages could be not even enough to pay the extra cost of rent, comparing similar flats
  • I would be interested to know your feedback about schools. Are there places much better than others?
  • We as family have a concern about living in this part of Switzerland. We come from Romande part, that is said to be a bit more open for social links. Could be this area like a very closed environment to foreign people?


Many thanks again!!
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Re: Working in Pfäffikon - Freienbach SZ - Help where to live

Depending on the type of permit you have, you may be required to live in the same canton as your place of work. I'd recommend that you check that before you begin to investigate the surrounding towns, which might already be in the next canton.
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Depending on the type of permit you have, you may be required to live in the same canton as your place of work. I'd recommend that you check that before you begin to investigate the surrounding towns, which might already be in the next canton.

Thanks for the tip. My residence permit type B allows me to work in the whole country.
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  • I could commute by car or public transport. I would prefer public transport although I would not discard to use my private car if this would bring a noticeable advantage
  • Unfortunately, my salary is not going to be super high, so what I was seeing is that the tax savings I could have in some villages could be not even enough to pay the extra cost of rent, comparing similar flats
  • I would be interested to know your feedback about schools. Are there places much better than others?
  • We as family have a concern about living in this part of Switzerland. We come from Romande part, that is said to be a bit more open for social links. Could be this area like a very closed environment to foreign people?
1. Given where I live and what I do, a car is an absolute necessity... but not necessarily for the commuting spouse. No, it's the person who needs to run hither and thither all over the region to do the household errands who needs to drive. Hand on heart, I could not live here without a car.

If OH worked normal hours he perhaps would have been able to live here and commute to the city by train. Even our little village-in-the-boondocks has a station. (Well, a stop, the station closed years ago.) But OH needs to be at the office well before before the first train of the day, so driving is a necessity for him as well.

Depending on how you and your family live, what you need to do, what you like to do, when you need/like to do it - YMMV.

Make sure you get a parking space with the new flat, even if you think you won't need to drive now. Because chances are you will later decide a car would make life easier. If you ultimately decide you don't need a car you can always sublet the parking space. A parking space is pure gold out here.

2. Run one of the tax calculators, for instance those on Comparis or Homegate. Sure, these are quick-and-dirty, but are close enough to give you a big picture.

Also be aware of insurance premium differences.

4. As everywhere in Switzerland, where you end up on the happiness/misery continuum largely depends on your immediate neighbors - far more so than on the village as a whole.

Most of the time anti-foreigner sentiment voiced around the Stammtisch is followed up by "Oh, but we don't mean you..." So in one ear, out the other, pay your taxes and pay no attention. There are boatloads of fellow furriners here - you'd be in good company.

Just make sure you plant geraniums of the officially approved color.

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Thanks for the tip. My residence permit type B allows me to work in the whole country.
Yes. I didn't mean that.

As far as I understand it, even a B permit that allows one to work in the whole country does not always mean that one is allowed to live in the whole country.

As I read it, some permits define that one must one live in the same canton as one works. This can be anywhere in the country, but still one's work and home must be in the same canton. If that is so, you could not work in Freienbach SZ and live in Rapperswil SG, or in Wädenswil ZH, for example.

I am no expert on this, but have heard it for others, so I think if I were going to make the move you have in mind, I'd be checking that point first, before all others. If I'm wrong in this, and you've already checked and are certain, then please just ignore this post. Thanks.

See Medea's tip, here:https://www.englishforum.ch/3004055-post30.html

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Re: Working in Pfäffikon - Freienbach SZ - Help where to live

Just reading again my previous answer, I believe it could sound a bit rude. Sorry for that, it was not my intention at all.


What I meant, is that physically in my residence permit says "Valid for all Switzerland" and as I am a EU citizen, I do not expect any problem.


And again, many thanks for your input here
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Again my vote goes for Einsiedeln.

Housing is affordable

Very good Gymnasium school

Easy to commute from both by car and by public transport

Everything is within walking distance in town.

It is usually above the fog-line in winter (huge plus!)

People are generally much friendlier and more open up there than in the villages along the lake of ZH

The city is very lively every day of the week as it has day tourism comming in.

Always something going on all year around; Fastnach, Weltteater, Ironman, Chilbi, Christmas market, Cow market, circus, ice skating.....

Pick your choice of winter sport; cross country, down hill, ski jump. All there at your doorstep.

And in summer you can go hiking or go swimming in the lake.



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Many thanks to every one who posted (I believe I still don't have the thanks option enabled)


I am checking any of the places you posted to understand my possibilities.


Just to update a bit more my initial post, here are my thoughts by now:


  • I could commute by car or public transport. I would prefer public transport although I would not discard to use my private car if this would bring a noticeable advantage
  • Unfortunately, my salary is not going to be super high, so what I was seeing is that the tax savings I could have in some villages could be not even enough to pay the extra cost of rent, comparing similar flats
  • I would be interested to know your feedback about schools. Are there places much better than others?
  • We as family have a concern about living in this part of Switzerland. We come from Romande part, that is said to be a bit more open for social links. Could be this area like a very closed environment to foreign people?


Many thanks again!!
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Another vote for Einsiedeln.

I love the area, spend much of my free time along the Sihlsee. I would move there in a flash if I could only find the right house...
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My biggest concern with Einsiedeln is that it is quite remote, small and a bit of an effort to get to a bigger urban centre of any note.
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So, we did some homework and visited the main villages in the south of the lake (Silver coast ?) and did also a reflexive exercise what are our main priorities / concerns.

These would be our main guidelines:


  • Good commute to work ( Pfäffikon SZ ) by car or public transport. Max. would be around 45 minutes

  • Good commute to Zurich by public transport. Thinking about future, this could be interesting once the kid grows have the possibility to commute by himself. Also for my spouse, that now is not working, if would search for a job, ZH is a big job market
  • Preferable a mid-big size village, where a representative expat colony is living. We do not speak German (kid does), so making new social contacts in a very deep country village plenty of locals, could be challenging for us. Also we like the king of services a medium-big village can offer us (libraries, pool, cultural activities, etc...)
  • Unfortunately, our expected incomes do not make the balance to necessarily point to Höfe tax heavens villages. This should not be the criteria in our case, as the money saved by taxes is eaten by the higher rents. I've read that this could be a valid criteria when family incomes are bigger to (220 - 250) K. Not our situation currently

So, we did a quick look by car in the following places, and this is our feedback. Please do not hesitate to correct me, as we just had a quick look to each place, so our idea can be wrong

  • Lachen - We liked it what we saw. It is well communicated to Pfäffikon and ZH. It looked quiet but with some nice areas to walk. Not really sure here about amount of amenities and how friendly people could be

  • Einsiedeln - As village we liked it a lot. It looked for us to reach the minimum size we are expecting. It looks you can reach most places in walking distance and nature is just in front of you, with a nice lake. Our concerns here, is that is not well communicated by public transport to ZH and Pfäffikon. Also concerned how easily would be for us to make some social links, considering what I could read in this post

  • Pfäffikon - Freinbach - It looked to us that can be a nice and quiet area, but maybe for family life could be though. It did not really looked to us like villages, but more than buildings next to a road. Just consider that we stayed here very few time, so our perceptions can be not the right ones.

  • Schindellegi - Very similar thoughts than previous point, and not comfortable for walking.

  • Wädenswil - It is really bigger than previous ones. We presume that here would be all the required services and most of them reachable by foot. Well communicated to ZH and work location. Not sure, but we guess that expats could be easier to find here


After visiting these places, we also have been doing some checks in this forum and google maps, and see other possible places where to live. I'd like to hear from you how near / far could be from our circumstances:
Wetzikon - Bubikon - Rüuti - These places look to be very well communicated to work location and ZH. Wetzikon looks to be the greatest and we guess with some expat community living there. How is life in these villages?
Rapperswil - This place I discarded it at the beginning, as being SG canton I thought it would be a tax hell. But I then did a calculation, and for our expected incomes taxes are pretty much the same as the previous ZH villages


My concern here is if living in SG could suppose a problem for our kid in terms of education. If would like to go to University, I believe ZH has more chances. Living in SG would mean a problem for this?

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Re: Working in Pfäffikon - Freienbach SZ - Help where to live

Most places who got a low tax rate, are pretty expensive in rents.
What type of permit do you hold ?
What ist your budget ?
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I don't see much difference in rental prices between Wädenswil and Pfäffikon for a 4.5 room place. Both places seem to start at around 2k and go up.

Definitely much more going on in Wädenswil, but there is certainly more to Pfäffikon than just the housing on the main street.
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[*]Preferable a mid-big size village, where a representative expat colony is living.
My 5Rp:

There really isn't any sort of 'expat colony' to be found in the area villages. Given the difficulty in finding suitable housing, most of us live wherever we happened to find a decent house or flat, however we each define that. So while you will find plenty of fellow furriners in Ausserschwyz/March region, we are scattered.

But I must stress that should not be a concern - the area is small, hopping from one village to another to meet friends for a coffee is easy-peasy. Your family will not be isolated in any of the villages you looked at, you will find like-minded souls naturally as you settle in, and travel throughout the region is easy.

So were it me, I'd put worries about finding kindred spirits farther down on your list of village criteria. Concentrate on other amenities you need in the immediate vicinity.

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put worries about finding kindred spirits farther down on your list of village criteria. Concentrate on other amenities you need in the immediate vicinity.
That.

OP, you are over thinking it. Looks to me that your budget is going to be the binding constraint.Check out what is actually available in your budget and go from there.
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