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Re: an apartment on top floor, pros and cons?

OK, so Geneva is even worse than Zurich.
As I said, I never looked into the real-estate market there - and neither the one of Zurich-City.
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Re: an apartment on top floor, pros and cons?

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this is another interesting thing about housing in Geneva. If paying 3 grand makes one 'better positioned than the average guy' who are all those people that are going to pay 5 grand or 7 grand.

I mean if you search for an apartment on homegate.ch, and sort them by price, putting cheapest options first, there are few apartments available up to 3000 grand. All other options are more than CHF 3 000.

So, I am little bit confused now. Anyway will find out soon :-)
Most apartments in Geneva don't get advertised. They are passed on by word of mouth.
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Re: an apartment on top floor, pros and cons?

Keep your street smarts on, low crime rate isn't the same as absence of crime. And making good use of a foreiger's ignorance is not a crime to begin with (usually).

As for contracts, make sure the minimum duration is to your liking. A rental deposit (can't be more than three monthly rents in total) is to be paid into an escrow account in your name; the agency/owner must by law open one for you (the bank is their choice). Personally, I might be willing to pay the agency directly if(!) they're well-known but I wouldn't pay to the owner directly (I'd rather take out deposit insurance for the first year despite the relatively high cost if I was in a hurry, and switch to an ordinary deposit after settling in).
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I mean if you search for an apartment on homegate.ch, and sort them by price, putting cheapest options first, there are few apartments available up to 3000 grand. All other options are more than CHF 3 000.
Not sure what you mean by "few"? For at least 2 rooms and up to 3k a month I get 140 hits on homegate.ch and almost 200 hits on immoscout24.ch. Did you search in Geneva city without postal code? (Genève-ville without a postal code on homegate24.ch)

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I saw an ad on homegate.ch, but that ad now gone. I can't find it now.
Here are similar options, let's discuss them:

1.https://www.homegate.ch/rent/2147602322?4
Let me play advocatus diaboli with this one.

What they don't tell you is unusable as a selling point, usually that means it's a clear negative. They don't mention room height, no picture of a plan, both would make me cautious.

No clear pictures of WC and bathroom, why? No mention of a shower. Why plural for the toilet ("wc séparés"), that makes no sense for a 2-room apartment (granted, may be an innocent typo). Picture 5 provides the only info on that topic, you see a glimpse of the toilet or bathroom at the right edge across the corridor. That room appears to be very narrow.

As you can see from the pictures, the walls are partially at an angle, that reduces the space easily usable, a lot will depend on your own body height. Also see Mrs. Doolittle above.

Being 1.87m tall myself, I'd probably be restricted to the left half (or less) in the kitchen (picture 4), especially that semi-vertical beam on the right is easy to bump your head into, and that will HURT. The horizontal beam by the kitchen sink looks like it's too low for me to allow comfortable use of the sink, I'd guess its lower edge is less than 1.80cm high. In the 2nd room (picture #3) I probably can't pass below where the two beams cross without lowering my head, actually I wouldn't be surprised if I had to duck below the beam that rises from the far left corner everywhere.

Naked wall means absent insulation, both sound and temperature. That's probably Ok for picture #3 as that looks like it's towards your own corridor, but in #5 that looks either towards the stairwell or the outside. On 2nd thought, perhaps that's towards your WC room.

Only two radiators pictured, they're minuscule for the apartment, with those two alone I'd expect heating problems. That may indicate issues with mould, to boot.

Small and few windows. If you crave daylight you won't like this apartment.

No washing machine/tumbler, you'll need to use the communal ones, which may bring it's own issues.

On the positive side the kitchen is rather large with lots of cupboards. Looks like there's a dishwasher and, to the left, a microwave built-in, but no oven. Not sure if there is one or not, but you need (at least) one light source on the left of the sink because you'll block the light from the overhead lamp behind you when cooking.
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Re: an apartment on top floor, pros and cons?

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Not sure what you mean by "few"? For at least 2 rooms and up to 3k a month I get 140 hits on homegate.ch and almost 200 hits on immoscout24.ch. Did you search in Geneva city without postal code? (Genève-ville without a postal code on homegate24.ch)
thanks a lot for this, I was choosing Geneva city. Geneva Canton gives a lot more options.
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Re: an apartment on top floor, pros and cons?

A lot of posts here loving top floor flats, so I'll offer an alternate view.

We had the option to take either of the top floor flats in our building, and chose to stay in the middle. Here's why:
  • The noise from the freeway was horrible. You couldn't sit and have a chat in a normal voice. Our level gets a bit of a "muting" effect from the forest nearby.
  • The bedrooms were all on the busy street side, whereas in our flat the bedrooms are on the quiet courtyard side.
  • All the rooms were actually smaller, thanks to the roof and other layout considerations of being on the top floor.
  • The balcony and all the furniture were filthy thanks to the use of the wood-burning stoves.
  • Price was quite a bit more than what we pay now.

If you've found something cheaper that you like, I'd also be tempted to take it. But be sure to visit in person and consider some of the stuff that UrsMax mentioned.
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Re: an apartment on top floor, pros and cons?

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A lot of posts here loving top floor flats, so I'll offer an alternate view.
I'll post one too in defense of ground floor flats.

If you have children, get a ground floor flat.

If you get any floor above the ground, and care about the mental well-being of your neighbours, then a ground floor flat is a must.
Then, your children can run around, drop things and generally be children without their noise annoying your neighbours - plus, with the last two ground floor flats we had, we had a garden straight outside the backdoor.

It's not surprising that singletons without children would prefer the top floor but that doesn't make top-floor flats the best choice for everyone.
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