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Is really hard to find good apartments?

We will move to Lausanne area by next April.

Reading posts in this forum it looks like that to find a suitable apartment is not easy because the high demand vs the low offer.

However I have selected around 20 apartments on Comparis and after a couple of months, only a few have been taken. Is it really so difficult?

The relocation companies that will help us also does not foresee any issue in finding a suitable apartment.

FYI we are planning a 3.500 CHF/month as maximum, ideally in Pully area as I understand is residential for families (we are 3 including a 5 year old daughter) if we find the school in Lausanne.

Alternative schools are in Aubonne and Montreux and this probably need a rethink about location (my job is in central Lausanne(

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Re: Is really hard to find good apartments?

Competition is fierce for a bit lower-end apartments from what I've understood.

If your monthly rental is above 2500, then you probably will not be facing much difficulties finding something nice and suitable.

Just make sure you'll always go with the full dossier when visiting some apartment, as upon finding a good candidate they may decide during the same evening even.

Although online ad's often stay up for a while even after it has been rented out, I think the real-estate agents are a bit too slow in cleaning these up. Or at least this was my own experience in Geneva area.
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Re: Is really hard to find good apartments?

I agree with Atheri. When I was looking for an inexpensive studio, competition was fierce. Once I looked into moving in with BF with combined rent budgets, it was not a problem. With your budget you should be fine.
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We will move to Lausanne area by next April.

Reading posts in this forum it looks like that to find a suitable apartment is not easy because the high demand vs the low offer.

However I have selected around 20 apartments on Comparis and after a couple of months, only a few have been taken. Is it really so difficult?

The relocation companies that will help us also does not foresee any issue in finding a suitable apartment.

FYI we are planning a 3.500 CHF/month as maximum, ideally in Pully area as I understand is residential for families (we are 3 including a 5 year old daughter) if we find the school in Lausanne.

Alternative schools are in Aubonne and Montreux and this probably need a rethink about location (my job is in central Lausanne(

Thank you for your insight

Luther
You will not have competition at 3500 a month. Just know that you will very likely be over paying. that is why those apartments are still on the market.

Plus there have been lay offs at some companies so expats are trying to get rid of their over priced apartments.

And also note that comparis is an aggregator. Sometimes the apartment will have been removed for the paid site before it gets taken down from Comparis.
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Re: Is really hard to find good apartments?

Yep, we went over 3,000 and had no competition.
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Re: Is really hard to find good apartments?

Thank you all for the advise, your comments make sense.

Of course I do not want to overpay, but I understand that negotiation is not an option in Switzerland. To be honest it was not in the UK but always I have been able to go dawn with the price. Any advice on this? Also consider we have a relocation consultant helping us, not sure this is good from a budget perspective :-)

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Thank you all for the advise, your comments make sense.

Of course I do not want to overpay, but I understand that negotiation is not an option in Switzerland. To be honest it was not in the UK but always I have been able to go dawn with the price. Any advice on this? Also consider we have a relocation consultant helping us, not sure this is good from a budget perspective :-)

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IMO having relocation agent will not help you from budget point of view.
She will help you to find something that suits your needs, but that will not be necessarily the best and definitely not the least expensive option.
She is not interested in saving your money. She will get her commission from your employer (I guess they're paying it for you) in any case, regardless if she finds a flat for you for CHF 3200 per month or 3500. So why wouldn't she select the easier path?

Re bargaining, why not give it a try? If there's something you like and you'd happily move into, tell them you'd be more than happy to get it but your budget constraints allow you to pay X CHF max. per month (where X is a few hundred buck less than the price advertised). A few hundred CHFs per month becomes a few thousands in a year, and the competition in this price range - as others said already above - is not that tight, so you can't lose anything by trying to negotiate on price. It's them who can lose (i.e. having an expensive place not rented out).

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Re: Is really hard to find good apartments?

I think it's fairly unusual that people negotiate over the rent, but it is not entirely unheard of. And if it's an apartment that's been on the market for a long time, the landlord may well be open to some haggling.

You mileage may vary of course, and chances of success will depend very much on the individual person and the conditions.
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Re: Is really hard to find good apartments?

We are just about to sign up for a 3000 Fr flat. Looking around, one could save max 1000 by getting somewhere cheaper. A big factor in the calculation is the tax level. I do not know how it varies around Lausanne, but the differences in this part of the world can easily make up this difference, which is why flats are that more expensive and more sought after in the low tax cantons/towns. More important for us than the rent over the years have been (I am assuming the swiss salary is enough to put you above the poverty line) are:
amenities
schools
neighbours (how do you find out in advance?)
city/countryside mix
water views/access

Swiss people spend years looking for a better flat -most change hands without ever reaching the market - it saves advertising costs. It can be worth finding out the who owns or manages the block of flats you are interested in so you can contact them to see if anything is coming up.
If you do take an expensive flat, look at the contract carefully,
be careful of a minimum tenancy length; if you want to leave early will it be easy for you to find someone to take over the lease.
Be care of set termination dates - normal is now for the end of any month with a three-four month notice period


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Re: Is really hard to find good apartments?

We have been pleasantly surprised by how easy it has been for us since moving to Lausanne. My wife found our first sublet, which is gorgeous and only 1700fr on her first visit. I know that sublets are of course easier, but we also found our new lease on the first visit. Another lovely apartment, this time for only 1500fr.

We are a couple with no children, so can live in urban Lausanne comfortably. Totally different demographic to you OP, but I think in general you will find it is not as bad as the hype.
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Re: Is really hard to find good apartments?

We tried negotiating for the more expensive places i.e. +chf 2600, for which most people need a double income to support the rent. Our experience it is not possible for the rental sum, but you might get add-ons for free sometimes, as-in we got our indoor garage thrown in at no costs.



I think landlords won't negotiate the price since it would also mean that the people after you will be demanding the same rental price, since the old rent will be stated on the "Bail". This effectively brings down the income value of their property.
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However I have selected around 20 apartments on Comparis and after a couple of months, only a few have been taken. Is it really so difficult?
Also consider searching directly on Anibis.ch for ads in the French speaking area.
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neighbours (how do you find out in advance?)
Visit them/the area, take down their names and look them up online. Ask the current owners/tenants about who lives above, below, across the way.
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