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Re: House purchase: are wardrobes part of the house or can we ask for them to be remo

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This. And as others have pointed out. Suppose the previous owner did rip them out and they left ugly holes in the walls. Would you be fine with that?
We left a gaping hole under a worktop where our washing machine was and other holes in the wall where the bathroom cabinet was taken off. This was to be expected as we specified in the contract that we were removing the items.
The buyer was purchasing the property as they found it in its current state.
The holes would have been covered up when they replaced the bathroom cabinet and installed their own cupboard where our washing machine was.

Other holes from removal of shelves, pictures etc. are to be expected if the property has been lived in. You don't have to fill all of these in if you are selling it in its 'current state'. These things are nearly always up to the buyer to sort out after you've handed over the property.

The key is to specify as much of these things in the contract as possible. All it costs is 5 minutes to email the notary to add a sentence or paragraph, before you get to signing day!
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Old 07.02.2019, 16:22
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Both times I bought a property there was way more junk than agreed. I guess it's all part and parcel of the game.
When I bought my house in Greater Manchester, not only did it come with way more junk that it should have (the nice Christmas tree and giant teddy were OK), but the day after we exchanged a couple of heavies turned up and aggressively took back a bed frame, and a week later we had to deal with some debt collectors, and then had months of returning to sender red letters from the DWP. The local heavies and debt collectors were way more reasonable and understanding than the government who refused to believe that the property had changed hands despite the government land registry stating it. A few Ikea cupboards are no big deal.
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months of returning to sender red letters
This can go on for years, potentially decades, months is nothing. This happens in the UK as names aren't generally on letterboxes so everything for any name at that address simply gets pushed through.
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This can go on for years, potentially decades, months is nothing. This happens in the UK as names aren't generally on letterboxes so everything for any name at that address simply gets pushed through.
I kept returning to sender with ’no longer at this address’ but they kept coming, eventually I committed mail fraud and opened the letter not addressed to me and called the number with their details. Completely illegal but it was the only thing they would listen too. Problem is that even though credit blacklisting SHOULD be based on both name and address, many companies go by address only. It was even more hassle after I divorced and kept the same surname, but then I moved countries so my ex’s debts didn’t catch up. He used our address for loans, and even my parent’s address, after we split.


Also interesting was after my gran died the loan sharks were fine about not getting their dosh back, but British Telecom refused to accept that she was pennyless and dead without her telling them herself.........
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Re: House purchase: are wardrobes part of the house or can we ask for them to be remo

OP here. Thanks for all the responses.

We have finally received a reply from the notary. "The main factor is to know whether the house would be deteriorated or altered if these cupboards would be removed. If yes, they should be considered as “parties intégrantes”. If not, the owner should remove them as the house should be delivered clean and empty."

Under this criteria, the freestanding huge IKEA wardrobes (which are not built in) should be removed but likely the workshop cabinets (which are attached to the wall) should not.

As many of you have pointed out, it's a bit ridiculous to make a huge deal about this, but I wanted to know what the owner's legal obligation was, especially since he is already being uncooperative about some other issues. If it becomes a huge thing we won't insist, but it is good to know, which is why I asked here in the first place.
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The key is to specify as much of these things in the contract as possible. All it costs is 5 minutes to email the notary to add a sentence or paragraph, before you get to signing day!
Unfortunately we signed months ago. Should've asked here first!
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This can go on for years, potentially decades, months is nothing. This happens in the UK as names aren't generally on letterboxes so everything for any name at that address simply gets pushed through.
The only homes that tend to have names against letterboxes are apartment buildings. But yep, post is delivered to an address rather than a name at that address. We've been redirecting post for months, is a PITA.
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British Telecom refused
Absolutely nothing written after those 3 words would surprise me.

But at least they gave us this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG7rrW8brnQ
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