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Renting - Private vs Regie

We're considering a move and one of the places we're looking at is a private landlord/owner.. The place is brand new and we really like it.

I've only stayed in my current place and one other, both involving regies and both times (so far) good experience. I'm not the sort to run to the regie for little issues but it's good to know they are there, i think.

Any special questions I need to think about going private? Only two main things I can think of are these :
Like deposit to a special account (my employer does it for me)
Standard contract (I would compare to what I have now)

Also since it's a stand alone house, it has its own boiler and solar panels.. Are these normally mentioned in contracts - only had shared utilities before.
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We're considering a move and one of the places we're looking at is a private landlord/owner.. The place is brand new and we really like it.

I've only stayed in my current place and one other, both involving regies and both times (so far) good experience. I'm not the sort to run to the regie for little issues but it's good to know they are there, i think.

Any special questions I need to think about going private? Only two main things I can think of are these :
Like deposit to a special account (my employer does it for me)
Standard contract (I would compare to what I have now)

Also since it's a stand alone house, it has its own boiler and solar panels.. Are these normally mentioned in contracts - only had shared utilities before.
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Are you a member of Asloca- if not, get in asap, then make an appointment to go through the contract with a toothcombe.
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Are you a member of Asloca- if not, get in asap, then make an appointment to go through the contract with a toothcombe.

Th contracts are very usually a semi-official contract that can easily be downloaded from the internet.


https://www.vd.ch/themes/territoire-...droit-du-bail/



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Going thorough with a "toothcomb" may sound good but as their is very very little that can be changed, it's rather pointless
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Re: Renting - Private vs Regie

We rented from a private landlord, it was the standard contract that most of them use so not really complicated to understand.
Just make sure you read it thoroughly before signing.

We had no problems at all when we moved out whereas the majority of people I have helped with the move out protocols have had serious grief from the agencies.

As with everything there are good and bad in both, some private landlords are scum and some are marvellous and it’s exactly the same with letting agents.
There are some agencies that I wouldn’t touch with a barge pole.
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Th contracts are very usually a semi-official contract that can easily be downloaded from the internet.


https://www.vd.ch/themes/territoire-...droit-du-bail/



https://bailpdf.com/


Going thorough with a "toothcomb" may sound good but as their is very very little that can be changed, it's rather pointless

Personally, it would make me feel better- so not pointless? Things about maintenance, etc, for instance for solar pannels (which type are they? for hot water or electricity). Being a member os Asloca is really a great insurance for any tenant I feel, here in CH- so not wasted.
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Personally, it would make me feel better- so not pointless? Things about maintenance, etc, for instance for solar pannels (which type are they? for hot water or electricity). Being a member os Asloca is really a great insurance for any tenant I feel, here in CH- so not wasted.

Fully agree ASLOCA is worthwhile being a member of, but picking through a very standard and harmonised contract is not really worthwhile.


What maintenance do you foresee for solar panels ?
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What maintenance do you foresee for solar panels ?
Weather damage, with particular reference to over-exposure to bright sunlight.
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Weather damage, with particular reference to over-exposure to bright sunlight.

Great, paid for by ECA insurance as this is certainly not maintenance which is what we are talking about.....


2 different things, storm damage and maintenance
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Re: Renting - Private vs Regie

Having been a renter and a landlord I would avoid agencies if possible. Not all, bit some are so bad you have to wonder how they sleep at night. And if you think they represent you, undoubtedly they will not. And v.v.
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Fully agree ASLOCA is worthwhile being a member of, but picking through a very standard and harmonised contract is not really worthwhile.


What maintenance do you foresee for solar panels ?
Thermic ones for hot water do need regular maintenance- for the pipes/connections (not photovoltaic).
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Great, paid for by ECA insurance as this is certainly not maintenance which is what we are talking about.
2 different things, storm damage and maintenance
My post was actually meant ironically:
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Thermic ones for hot water do need regular maintenance- for the pipes/connections (not photovoltaic).
I threw out a solar water heater in Malta after 4 years, total waste of time & money.
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Re: Renting - Private vs Regie

A potential tenant, especially one relatively inexperienced at renting in Switzerland, in his/her specific canton, cannot know whether the contract a landlord presents is a standardised version or contains unusual clauses. I second going to ASLOCA or Mieterverband to find out whether anything is irregular.... or even just "typically Swiss" but perhaps unusual for you.

The main aspect that can be changed/negotiated is the duration of the rental. And with private landlords sometimes factors such as use of extra garden or parking space, and perhaps an arrangement about responsibility for any fence, especially if there are animals to keep in or out.
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Re: Renting - Private vs Regie

So .. Second visit was a bit of a disaster.. Landlords spent most of the time arguing with each other over money.. One thought it should be high price (3500), one said it should be lower (2500), they even suggested that at the low price they had a lot of interest and maybe we would like to bid against the other potential tenants on the price..


Unsure if it's actually a scam attempt or just first time landlords not knowing how things work.. But we laughed and left basically.
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I threw out a solar water heater in Malta after 4 years, total waste of time & money.
How old were they? Modern high quality ones are much more efficient. We have 6 m2 and it keeps this massive old pile and all our visitors with plenty of hot water - with central heating kicking in very rarely when weather is really really bad.
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Re: Renting - Private vs Regie

I read John's post 15, and then inadvertently Odile's post 16... overlooking the quote to which Odile was responding, but as if she were responding to John. That had me chuckling. How old were the landlords? Modern, high quality ones are much more efficient.
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I read John's post 15, and then inadvertently Odile's post 16... overlooking the quote to which Odile was responding, but as if she were responding to John. That had me chuckling. How old were the landlords? Modern, high quality ones are much more efficient.
Haha I did the same .!
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How old were they? Modern high quality ones are much more efficient. We have 6 m2 and it keeps this massive old pile and all our visitors with plenty of hot water - with central heating kicking in very rarely when weather is really really bad.
4 years old, pain in the ass as you need to go on the roof & cover it up, then double cover it up in summer at full sun then uncover slightly when it's cloudy. Not ideal recovering from a Brocken back. If I had to heat a swimming pool then it would be work. Saving is about 1 unit a day so about 240 units for the 8 months I am there, that's €31.20 of electricity saved a year. Annual maintenance €80 Euro but I never bothered, cost of system Instalation, removal & disposal €1500 so a loss over 4 years of €1375.20. I am not in a hurry to go green again. If I used more water & without servicing you might break even in Malta with 300 days of sunshine after 10 years.
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wow- no idea what kind those were !?! Ours are flat like voltaïc ones- and built around a concrete base with steel mount, in our field away from sight - as we didn't want them on our historic roof. Brilliant. Only problem is keeping a path free in winter to go and take snow off from time to time.
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