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Subletting room in Kusnacht

Dear all,

I am going to move to Kusnacht (just out of Zurich) next month and looking for a 3.5 apartment (we are 2 adults and 1 kid) and I was wondering if in your opinion makes sense to rent a 4.5 and sublet a room.

- difference in higher costs can be offset (and possibly gain something) by renting a single room?
- should i ask the permission from the landlord?
- is Kusnacht close enough to Zurich to be interesting also for people working there and commuting?

thank you in advance for sharing your opinion!
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Dear all,

I am going to move to Kusnacht (just out of Zurich) next month and looking for a 3.5 apartment (we are 2 adults and 1 kid) and I was wondering if in your opinion makes sense to rent a 4.5 and sublet a room.

- difference in higher costs can be offset (and possibly gain something) by renting a single room?
- should i ask the permission from the landlord?
- is Kusnacht close enough to Zurich to be interesting also for people working there and commuting?

thank you in advance for sharing your opinion!

You need approval from your landlord to sublet
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With a child..... you got to be kidding !
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Old 27.02.2019, 12:39
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- is Kusnacht close enough to Zurich to be interesting also for people working there and commuting?
Yes, definitely, if you will be living closer to the lakeside or village centre. The trains are every 15mins into Zurich HB. It's a bit more difficult if you are higher up the village, or between Kusnacht and Erlenbach.

This is a great place for a child, particularly in summer when the lakeside is full of people going for a swim. Also, the village is quite diverse. I have friends from Spain, Chile, Bulgaria, Norway, etc, here, but it still feels very Swiss. Also, don't be too surprised if you hear a few Greeks here. Even the local taxi firm are Greek. My partner (also Greek) has lived in three areas of Zurich, but loves it here the most. He says, once he gets to Tiefenbrunnen, he feels like he's on holiday, and he often gets off the train there to walk the rest of the way home.
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You need approval from your landlord to sublet
Not completely true, only when they make a profit, or there are serious disadvantages to the landlord. Landlord is entitled to see the contract, and may refuse if he does not get to see it.

If they rent a 4,5 for a 3 person family, and want to sublet one room for a fair price, and make little profit by putting in old furniture and asking 10% extra for that, and there are no serious disadvantages to the landlord they only need to inform.
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Not completely true, only when they make a profit, or there are serious disadvantages to the landlord. Landlord is entitled to see the contract, and may refuse if he does not get to see it.

If they rent a 4,5 for a 3 person family, and want to sublet one room for a fair price, and make little profit by putting in old furniture and asking 10% extra for that, and there are no serious disadvantages to the landlord they only need to inform.
Not true. (Art. 253-274g OR and Art. 1-27 VMWG) states that the landlord has to be informed if the property is wholly or partly sublet, but more often than not cannot object.

Making a profit on a sublet (little or otherwise) is not allowed.

We sublet our apartment and the rules on profit are very strict. Also, about informing the landlord.
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Not true. (Art. 253-274g OR and Art. 1-27 VMWG) states that the landlord has to be informed if the property is wholly or partly sublet, but more often than not cannot object.

Making a profit on a sublet (little or otherwise) is not allowed.

We sublet our apartment and the rules on profit are very strict. Also, about informing the landlord.
1. Yes I state that they have to inform the landlord.

2. A profit is legally allowed but needs permission from the landlord. (If not he can go after the profit when he finds out, and there are several court cases where the landlord managed to get all profit made)

3. Asking 10% extra for a room/object being furnished is normal and not deemed to be profit for which approval has to be found.

What exactly in my posting is not true? And mind the difference between approval and informing.
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1. Yes I state that they have to inform the landlord.

2. A profit is legally allowed but needs permission from the landlord. (If not he can go after the profit when he finds out, and there are several court cases where the landlord managed to get all profit made)

What exactly in my posting is not true? And mind the difference between approval and informing.
There was no clarity to your post. The landlord must be informed of any change to the tenancy, in this case subletting either partially or wholly to another person or party.

Profit cannot be made on a sublet.

Perhaps you can clarify on what you mean by a landlord taking tenants to court to claim back profit they charged to their sublet. "Several court cases"?

The rules are simple. If the OP wants to let out a room, he can't make a profit on it, even if he shares or gives it wholly to the landlord.
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Dear all,

I am going to move to Kusnacht (just out of Zurich) next month and looking for a 3.5 apartment (we are 2 adults and 1 kid) and I was wondering if in your opinion makes sense to rent a 4.5 and sublet a room.

- difference in higher costs can be offset (and possibly gain something) by renting a single room?
- should i ask the permission from the landlord?
- is Kusnacht close enough to Zurich to be interesting also for people working there and commuting?

thank you in advance for sharing your opinion!
OP, have you seen this?:

https://www.englishforum.ch/property...e-1-april.html
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There was no clarity to your post. The landlord must be informed of any change to the tenancy, in this case subletting either partially or wholly to another person or party.

Profit cannot be made on a sublet.

Perhaps you can clarify on what you mean by a landlord taking tenants to court to claim back profit they charged to their sublet. "Several court cases"?

The rules are simple. If the OP wants to let out a room, he can't make a profit on it, even if he shares or gives it wholly to the landlord.
1. Yet again: I said they had to inform. But informing does not equal getting approval, if there is no reason to object for the landlord than approval is of no issue and it is just to inform. Law allows subletting by default and it can only be forbidden when certain criteria are met.

2. There have been cases where people used Airbnb to sublet and make profit on a room/apartment without approval of the landlord, court ruled that the landlord was entitled to the profit which has been made.

3. The rules are indeed simple a profit can be made but landlord has to approve. What exact law forbids making profit on subletting? (assuming the rental price is not abusive compared to other equal objects).
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why?

If you don't know the answer to this, then it is not much point anybody explaining it to you anyway
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Re: Subletting room in Kusnacht

ok, thank you all for the comments...it doesn't seem to be a good idea...

I saw anyway people that when they go on holiday for 2-3 weeks they try to subrent their apt/room as well.

I guess in that case landlord has to be informed and no profit allowed (or at least shared with owner)...right?

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1. Yet again: I said they had to inform. But informing does not equal getting approval, if there is no reason to object for the landlord than approval is of no issue and it is just to inform. Law allows subletting by default and it can only be forbidden when certain criteria are met.

2. There have been cases where people used Airbnb to sublet and make profit on a room/apartment without approval of the landlord, court ruled that the landlord was entitled to the profit which has been made.

3. The rules are indeed simple a profit can be made but landlord has to approve. What exact law forbids making profit on subletting? (assuming the rental price is not abusive compared to other equal objects).
To be fair, I think you are confusing it with some AirBnB arrangement which this is not.

The law I linked to earlier states that a sublet should be under the same circumstances as those laid out in the contract with the principle renter. This is what we followed when we sublet out our apartment and was approved by the landlord, and would therefore prevent any profit.

We had to get the landlord's approval when the subletting tenant wanted to move his fella in because, again, it was a change to the tenancy.
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ok, thank you all for the comments...it doesn't seem to be a good idea...

I saw anyway people that when they go on holiday for 2-3 weeks they try to subrent their apt/room as well.

I guess in that case landlord has to be informed and no profit allowed (or at least shared with owner)...right?

thank you
regards
Inform landlord, and you're allowed to add some extra rent for the use of your furniture and if your own rental price is excluding water, electrics, elevator and such you can add a reasonable amount for this without seeking the landlords approval.

Only if you make profit or there are disadvantages to the landlord he can refuse.
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To be fair, I think you are confusing it with some AirBnB arrangement which this is not.

The law I linked to earlier states that a sublet should be under the same circumstances as those laid out in the contract with the principle renter. This is what we followed when we sublet out our apartment and was approved by the landlord, and would therefore prevent any profit.

We had to get the landlord's approval when the subletting tenant wanted to move his fella in because, again, it was a change to the tenancy.
You do not need approval for everything, if there are no grounds to refuse informing is enough, and you can sublet even if the landlord disapproves.
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A lot of people feel that what you give up on privacy is not worth what you save on the money (basically what you pay for an extra large house minus what you get for one room, while having to share the kitchen, shower and all of such.)
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A lot of people feel that what you give up on privacy is not worth what you save on the money (basically what you pay for an extra large house minus what you get for one room, while having to share the kitchen, shower and all of such.)
Also, why on earth would anyone pay for a room to share with a couple and a kid? It makes little sense when there are many rooms all over Zurich to rent more suitable; to share with other singles or quieter environments to live in.
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Also, why on earth would anyone pay for a room to share with a couple and a kid? It makes little sense when there are many rooms all over Zurich to rent more suitable; to share with other singles or quieter environments to live in.
If the price is right there are enough people who see it as a good temporarily option. Friend of mine accepted another job and he hired a room just like that throughout the week to avoid a lot of travel.

But to use such room as an actual long term home... hmm...
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