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Must move out on 1st April?

Hi, all,

I'd like to share my bad experience of my style in my perfect flat in the past two years.

The bad experiences mainly came from rude and selfish neighbours (expats mostly) and lousy management agency of the building.

I am moving out next month finally. However, due to the strange rule of switzerland, many people moving on the 1st. I couldn't get my flat key before that so I can only move on same day. And after cleaning, I can only handover on 2nd. I also agreed with the new tenant that they can get the keys on 2nd.

I do not understand why this agent still sending me email said I have to give the flat on 1st accordingly to contract. What does that concern them if the new tenant also agree?

And what can they do if I only give back the flat on 2nd?
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Hi, all,

I'd like to share my bad experience of my style in my perfect flat in the past two years.

The bad experiences mainly came from rude and selfish neighbours (expats mostly) and lousy management agency of the building.

I am moving out next month finally. However, due to the strange rule of switzerland, many people moving on the 1st. I couldn't get my flat key before that so I can only move on same day. And after cleaning, I can only handover on 2nd. I also agreed with the new tenant that they can get the keys on 2nd.

I do not understand why this agent still sending me email said I have to give the flat on 1st accordingly to contract. What does that concern them if the new tenant also agree?

And what can they do if I only give back the flat on 2nd?
1. Be prepared to get more bills that you have to pay.
2. You have no business with the new tenants.
3. You don't get to decide when they get the keys, you cancelled you deliver.
4. Many people move and clean on the same day, if you can't do that you made the wrong arrangements.
5. The most important one: Stop trolling or if this is serious, grow up.
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Old 22.03.2019, 23:09
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Re: Must move out on 1st April?

Hi, Edwin


1. yes i am surely they will do it. Mafia agency
2. What do you mean business? yes i am selling him furnitures. And he signed an agreement that he pays me an amount for some furnitures and i will handover on 2nd
3. Not quite understand this point.
4. Many people move an clean on same day? How can you move after you get the key at 11am and then the cleaning company can get the key after evacuate?
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Old 22.03.2019, 23:54
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Re: Must move out on 1st April?

What gives you the idea that the new tenant has any saying in when you give the keys to the people who's property you rented?

As for doing all on the same day nothing weird about that.

You make an appointment sometime after 12 for handing in the key, and tell the company that moves and cleans that they have to be done by then, as for the new one we could get the key in the morning so I just drove by to pick that up and do that handover, would it have been 14:00 than I would just have taken the movers to a restaurant in between. As for the handover of the old one, either you stick around a bit longer or you return. No need to watch the movers the whole time.
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1. yes i am surely they will do it. Mafia agency
2. What do you mean business? yes i am selling him furnitures. And he signed an agreement that he pays me an amount for some furnitures and i will handover on 2nd
3. Not quite understand this point.
4. Many people move an clean on same day? How can you move after you get the key at 11am and then the cleaning company can get the key after evacuate?
1) I'd suggest you move to Italy (Southern part, preferably) and open a shop or two there. Then we talk about "Mafia" again.
2) His wording was pretty much clear. It's simply not YOUR job to hand the flat to him. It's your job to hand the flat to your (former) landlord, then he'll check it, and eventually hand it to the new tenant. If you hand it directly to the new tenant, that's maybe possible (if everyone agrees) but definitely not what the usual contracts say.
3) Suppose he meant you got no beef after 1st April to the keys. I do disagree with him on this, at least to some point. If both parties did agree it's 2nd of April to hand over the flat, it's 2nd of April. Not really officially maybe, but probably working out better than no deal..
4) It's a bit crazy about cleaning. Most people, both tenants and landlords, don't actually require a super duper clean flat, and agree it being "Besenrein" (ie, properly cleaned but NOT according to crazy high standards) is sufficent.
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Old 23.03.2019, 04:15
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Re: Must move out on 1st April?

I doubt your point 4. If you review the threads here. Lots of people cannot get back the deposit without a proper cleaning.

As I said this is a losuy agent. Mafia is just a metaphor.
I know what Mafia is. they try every means to charge and covers up their Mis management. My swiss colleague told me there is a lot in the city. They survive by earning on ex-pats that tenants do not have much time to look into details them they earn. Especially on nebenkosten.
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Re: Must move out on 1st April?

Edwin,

The apartment need to do cleaning after you moved out. A proper one. I hired a professional one. And they need half day. So if returning keys back at 6pm on 1St April still counts, then I am OK.

And I do not see any problem to the agency if two parties agreed to give flat one day later. The flexibility can be adpated?

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What gives you the idea that the new tenant has any saying in when you give the keys to the people who's property you rented?

As for doing all on the same day nothing weird about that.

You make an appointment sometime after 12 for handing in the key, and tell the company that moves and cleans that they have to be done by then, as for the new one we could get the key in the morning so I just drove by to pick that up and do that handover, would it have been 14:00 than I would just have taken the movers to a restaurant in between. As for the handover of the old one, either you stick around a bit longer or you return. No need to watch the movers the whole time.

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Re: Must move out on 1st April?

It's quite simple: your handover contract is with the landlord, and they almost always want the flat to be spotless (as can be expected) and ready for inspection on the offficial contractual day that a tenant moves in. The logic of this is simple; whatever the new tenant says now, they are biased and want to move in asap, whereas all the landlord cares about is that they receive the apartment in the same presumably high standard that they want to hand it to someone new in. If their new tenant then moves in and finds problems later then it is a problem for the landlord, and it can and does happen. The landlord will generally never be satisfied until the inspection handover has been completed to their standard, regardless of what you verbally agree with the new tenant. You may find that strict and/or unreasonable, but put yourself in their shoes... they don't want any nasty surprises later down the line.

Yes it often happens that the tenant in your new place moves out a day or two early but that is never certain and it just happened that you were unlucky and didn't have an extra day or two to prepare your move. It happens. Organise your handover for as late in the day as possible and explain your reasoning... usually the landlord will be ok with this.
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Old 23.03.2019, 08:33
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You may find that strict and/or unreasonable, but put yourself in their shoes... they don't want any nasty surprises later down the line.
And isn´t it nice to be able to move in into a spotlessly cleaned new home? I certainly like that here
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It's quite simple: your handover contract is with the landlord, and they almost always want the flat to be spotless (as can be expected) and ready for inspection on the offficial contractual day that a tenant moves in. The logic of this is simple; whatever the new tenant says now, they are biased and want to move in asap, whereas all the landlord cares about is that they receive the apartment in the same presumably high standard that they want to hand it to someone new in. If their new tenant then moves in and finds problems later then it is a problem for the landlord, and it can and does happen. The landlord will generally never be satisfied until the inspection handover has been completed to their standard, regardless of what you verbally agree with the new tenant. You may find that strict and/or unreasonable, but put yourself in their shoes... they don't want any nasty surprises later down the line.

Yes it often happens that the tenant in your new place moves out a day or two early but that is never certain and it just happened that you were unlucky and didn't have an extra day or two to prepare your move. It happens. Organise your handover for as late in the day as possible and explain your reasoning... usually the landlord will be ok with this.
Thanks Chuff. Of course I understand and that's why I hire a professional cleaning and they said they cannot finish until 2nd even though I give the keys to them at 12 on 1St.

So it is fine to give the flat tk ohem at 18? Let say. As it is still 1St.
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So it is fine to give the flat to them at 18?
Why are you asking me this... I am not the agency you organise a handover with?
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Re: Must move out on 1st April?

Good morning Bellanana,
yes everything you said is correct, you do have to move etc on the same day- though you will have to tell the cleaning company that they have to be finished on the 1st. They know this anyway. They know "the rules"... better than most.
If they cant deliver, you change cleaning company. You may even get a discount through your work with some agencies.
Mafia... well... everyone knows everyone, thats true.. and Edwin, Tom & Roegner are lovely people IRL
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Re: Must move out on 1st April?

As previously said, boss cleaning company around to deliver on 1st with threats to move to another one if not, keep landlord informed that appointment for handing keys over would be more convenient later on in the day (state your reasons, it's in their interest to have a spotless flat), leave nice bottle of wine for new tenants et voilà!
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Re: Must move out on 1st April?

I agree, yes, definitely, if the cleaning company say they can't deliver on time, change cleaning company immediately.

It can also help to ask the landlord/agency whether they have a preferred cleaner whose standards they accept.
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Why are you asking me this... I am not the agency you organise a handover with?
What would the landlord do if I give back the flat one day later??
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What would the landlord do if I give back the flat one day later??
Be extremely annoyed and potentially charge you for an extra month. You are breaching your contract. Plus, he may give you a crappy reference (or simply refuse to do so)
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What would the landlord do if I give back the flat one day later??
Make you pay another month's rent.

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Be extremely annoyed and potentially charge you for an extra month. You are breaching your contract. Plus, he may give you a crappy reference (or simply refuse to do so)
What reference and where they will file it?
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What reference and where they will file it?
Don't worry, asking for a reference is optional and in your case if you already have a new place that doesn't matter. The rest I am sure you can figure out.
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Re: Must move out on 1st April?

Just stop trying to fight the system please. It's all contractual.

Everything you have been told in this thread is pretty accurate. I even had to do the full intensive clean (which took me 2 days) for the handover of an apartment in a building that was being demolished a couple of months later, and I almost failed the inspection because I'd forgotten to change the filter in the hob extractor fan.

Every day that people delay has a knock on effect down the line.
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