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Painting at home - any paperwork needed

Hi all, I recently bought a house in canton Zurich and I'd like to give a paint at walls (internals) before moving in.
My sister's husband, from Italy, offered me for help.
Do you know if I shall do any kind of paperwork at Gemeinde to declare it?
I don't know so we'll the neighbours, not sure if someone will just pick up the phone and tell about unauthorised Italian workers are doing stuff there...
I'd just like to be on the safe side...

Any help welcome
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Old 22.04.2019, 16:45
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Re: Painting at home - any paperwork needed

Unless you are paying him as an employee, there’s not much to worry about. Presumably you’re just feeding him, providing him with a bed to sleep in and giving him the odd sight-seeing excursion, right?

Are you sure the neighbours will even notice, never mind give a stuff who is doing what with a paintbrush?
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Old 22.04.2019, 16:51
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Hi all, I recently bought a house in canton Zurich and I'd like to give a paint at walls (internals) before moving in.
My sister's husband, from Italy, offered me for help.
Do you know if I shall do any kind of paperwork at Gemeinde to declare it?
I don't know so we'll the neighbours, not sure if someone will just pick up the phone and tell about unauthorised Italian workers are doing stuff there...
I'd just like to be on the safe side...

Any help welcome
Are you joking?? Just paint it!
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Old 22.04.2019, 17:05
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Re: Painting at home - any paperwork needed

As Italian is one of the National languages and many Italians have valid residency permits, what is the issue?

You would have more of a problem if you were all speaking English or high german.
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Re: Painting at home - any paperwork needed

Well... Sounds clear your opinion... Sorry for freaking out
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Old 22.04.2019, 19:45
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Re: Painting at home - any paperwork needed

Legally, there is paper work to do, and taxes to pay, even if he works for free.

Just saying.

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Old 22.04.2019, 19:54
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Unless you are paying him as an employee, there’s not much to worry about. Presumably you’re just feeding him, providing him with a bed to sleep in and giving him the odd sight-seeing excursion, right?

Are you sure the neighbours will even notice, never mind give a stuff who is doing what with a paintbrush?
Actually it does not matter if you pay someone or not, it still requires a permit.
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Old 22.04.2019, 19:59
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Hi all, I recently bought a house in canton Zurich and I'd like to give a paint at walls (internals) before moving in.
My sister's husband, from Italy, offered me for help.
Do you know if I shall do any kind of paperwork at Gemeinde to declare it?
I don't know so we'll the neighbours, not sure if someone will just pick up the phone and tell about unauthorised Italian workers are doing stuff there...
I'd just like to be on the safe side...

Any help welcome
I think that is unlikely to happen, it is not as if Italian workers are unusual in these parts.

I’d be more concerned about ensuring that you are both properly insured in case of an accident or something like that.
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Old 22.04.2019, 20:53
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Actually it does not matter if you pay someone or not, it still requires a permit.
So you go to the gemeinde and say “The father in law is popping over for a week to put a lick of paint on the walls, what forms do you need filling out?”

Presumably to issue a permit they’ll need a contract or some kind of written text detailing the work?



Insurance I can understand. I remember my dad being over here putting furniture together and setting up stuff when I first moved here. Would have seemed a bit weird running to the gemeinde to tell them. I wonder if anyone actually does?
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Such as?
I assume something like this

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...verfahren.html

Only applies to businesses and self-employed though so don't think individuals could use it for people helping out.
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Old 22.04.2019, 21:38
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Actually it does not matter if you pay someone or not, it still requires a permit.
Is that just for painting or for anything?

If some relatives from the U.K. come over to stay and offer to cook a meal for us one night, to give us a break, do we need to go to the Gemeinde and register them as chefs?

How about cutting the grass?

Or loading the dishwasher?

Really?
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Old 22.04.2019, 22:10
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Re: Painting at home - any paperwork needed

Work in the sense of a work permit means "work for pay", as opposed to painting a wall or five for free. So why would there be paperwork needed as long as the visitors don't work for pay?

At any rate however, OP should make sure they're insured abroad (abroad for an EU resident's perspective).
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Old 22.04.2019, 22:44
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Is that just for painting or for anything?

If some relatives from the U.K. come over to stay and offer to cook a meal for us one night, to give us a break, do we need to go to the Gemeinde and register them as chefs?

How about cutting the grass?

Or loading the dishwasher?

Really?
The point is that voluntary work requires a permit in just the same manner as other work.

I can’t tell you about glass cutters or dishwashers but house sitters need permits or at least they did about 15 years ago when a friend of mine got caught in Baselland.
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Actually it does not matter if you pay someone or not, it still requires a permit.

Not if it's familly
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Not if it's familly
Or friends. And there's a difference between voluntary work and someone coming to visit you and helping out. Voluntary work is usually work that would normally be paid, that you do for a third party - neither family nor friends.

There's obviously grey areas, but helping someone you have an established relationship with, in a one-time project, isn't voluntary work - it's part of friendship and family life.

But hey, another thread full of banalities. What else to expect from EF?
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