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Old 04.06.2019, 16:23
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I guess what has happened here is that Livoloeurope outsourced the manufacturing, handing over their designs, to a Chinese company and that Chinese company has now done the dirty on them and started selling the stuff also direct to customers (who prefer not to pay wildly inflated prices) instead of, as agreed, through Livoloeurope.
I'd also say that the definition of 'fake' here is that the manufacturer has breached an agreement to sell only to Livoloeurope and that the specification (including safety aspects) is identical to the original (anyway manufactured in China) product.
Ive been travelling to China for the last 15 years and heard that legend every time you go to a market to buy literally anything - it always happens to be the overproduction of the actual product supplied to the grey market. The reality in 99% is much simpler: a factory wants to produce XYZ, so they go and buy some example of successful products in that market. Then they do a cheap knock-off copy. Thats fine for a whole lot of products, but I would not recommend it for anything electric.

A quick look at the Swiss and the German websites of Hornbach shows me that this is another area where you get royally Switzerlanded. A Switch of a decent brand is some 5 to 10 Euro, not 40-80... I guess there isnt really a way around it for the plugs, but I would just buy the switches across the border.
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Old 04.06.2019, 16:40
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Ive been travelling to China for the last 15 years and heard that legend every time you go to a market to buy literally anything - it always happens to be the overproduction of the actual product supplied to the grey market. The reality in 99% is much simpler: a factory wants to produce XYZ, so they go and buy some example of successful products in that market. Then they do a cheap knock-off copy. Thats fine for a whole lot of products, but I would not recommend it for anything electric.

A quick look at the Swiss and the German websites of Hornbach shows me that this is another area where you get royally Switzerlanded. A Switch of a decent brand is some 5 to 10 Euro, not 40-80... I guess there isnt really a way around it for the plugs, but I would just buy the switches across the border.
I guess you could wire everything with Euro sockets and replace all appliance plugs. Not sure whether this is compliant with local regulations though.
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I guess you could wire everything with Euro sockets and replace all appliance plugs. Not sure whether this is compliant with local regulations though.
Its certainly not more dangerous than the wild collection of plugs and adapters I rund after the last two moves from UK plug over CH to German Schuko. (There is no euro socket standard… the EU managed to standardize bananas, but not electric plugs...)
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Its certainly not more dangerous than the wild collection of plugs and adapters I rund after the last two moves from UK plug over CH to German Schuko. (There is no euro socket standard… the EU managed to standardize bananas, but not electric plugs...)
we all know europe means Germany

there is this rather useless plug, which is called the Europlug:

https://www.evs.ee/tooted/evs-en-50075-2002
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Old 04.06.2019, 17:59
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we all know europe means Germany

there is this rather useless plug, which is called the Europlug:

https://www.evs.ee/tooted/evs-en-50075-2002
I am aware of that, but this only works for stuff that doesnt need to be earthed as it is lacking the third pin in order to be compatible with most EU sockets. It even fits in CH (but not in the UK). Either way, thats just a plug, not a socket.
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Just shows you the profit margins they have on them...

They didn't have the ones I wanted last time either.
See my edit. It should have been Coop. You might have better luck there if you go soon.
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