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Old 19.05.2019, 10:48
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Good electrician in the Rotkreuz area?

Can anyone recommend a good electrician in the Rotkreuz/Cham area, or more importantly, any that I should avoid because they're useless?

This is for fault rectification and replacing a couple of fuses with RCDs.

I've given up trying to find an open neutral in one of our circuits. It's not at any of the sockets or switches and nor does it appear to be in any of the junction boxes. They've all got the same fault so I suspect it is upstream from that but it doesn't appear to be at the main box either so I suspect (due the history of the house) there's a hidden junction box somewhere)

Not sure what else it could be. Anyone have any ideas?


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Re: Good electrician in the Rotkreuz area?

If the fault occurs on all/several groups it should be in your cabinet or before that.

In that case, measure upfront of the fuses if the fault also occurs there just call your supplier and let them handle their problem.

If it is only one group, you could consider buying a cable finder (the ones that put an actual signal on the wires), your electrician if he is smart would very likely use the same to locate the wire.

If you have somebody with good hearing in the house you could also pull/push a cable and have some somebody listen if the can find the other end, just make sure afterwards that all connections are still intact.

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Re: Good electrician in the Rotkreuz area?

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I've given up trying to find an open neutral in one of our circuits. It's not at any of the sockets or switches and nor does it appear to be in any of the junction boxes.
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Does the circuit include ceiling lighting ? It may be that two neutrals have been spliced together in push connector, the sort of thing an outgoing tenant may take with him/her when removing their light fitting ? Or, of course, a similar problem.

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If it is only one group, you could consider buying a cable finder (the ones that put an actual signal on the wires), your electrician if he is smart would very likely use the same to locate the wire.
It is just one group.

I've got one for ethernet etc. I suppose, with the power off, I could use that. Difficult to do when the rest of the family are insisting that they need power for this and that! I've been out all day too.

I looked in the main junction box and all the wires look solid there but there are quite a few wires - it's not messy but still.

As a quick test, I jury-rigged a neutral from a socket from the other side of the hallway and everything works fine on the duff circuit so it kind of proves that it is a neutral break and it is between the fuse box and the first socket.



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Does the circuit include ceiling lighting ? It may be that two neutrals have been spliced together in push connector, the sort of thing an outgoing tenant may take with him/her when removing their light fitting ? Or, of course, a similar problem.
I've checked all those (or all those I can find). There are a lot.
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It is just one group.

I've got one for ethernet etc. I suppose, with the power off, I could use that. Difficult to do when the rest of the family are insisting that they need power for this and that! I've been out all day too.
Well, a defect is a defect, family can spend a bit of time in the garden while daddy fixes things or just plays a game. Not to mention that a bad connection can be a fire hazard.

And yes power needs to be off, and to avoid interference towards other groups you need to isolate the one you are working on, so if you have an old fashioned fuse you might need to unscrew the neutral in the cabinet. If it works wel just depends on how strong the signal from your equipment is and how your house is built. But we used the same method to trace back cables throughout factory's (stronger equipment tho that even detected up to under two meters of ground. However given the prices of electricians in Zwitserland it is definitely worth the try.
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Re: Good electrician in the Rotkreuz area?

So I discovered that my wife had changed our insurance policy (or it had changed when she spoke to a rep a couple of weeks ago) and electrical faults are included.

So I decided not do do any more. I knew what the fault was, and I knew roughly where it was.

An electrician came this morning (I was at work), spent a few hours here, came up with the same conclusion as me and decided, as he couldn't find the cable route, he'd come back in a weeks' time and run some plastic trunking down the hallway to provide a new neutral wire.

So, half our place is going to be without electricity for two weeks and then the insurance-nominated electrician is going to do a 'cowboy' job that I could have done myself last weekend.

And people wonder why I'd rather do these jobs myself rather pay an extortionate amount to the 'professionals'...

I'm going to find the correct route back to the fuse-board myself, put a draw wire in and let the electrician pull his cable in and connect the ends up (with me checking of course).
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Re: Good electrician in the Rotkreuz area?

LOL, just putting up new trunking to make a by-pass, that must be the most lazy and ugly solution possible.

Any chance you can put up a vacuumer at one end and suck through a pulling wire. (also measure the length, it might be a good help to determine the route.)
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LOL, just putting up new trunking to make a by-pass, that must be the most lazy and ugly solution possible.

Any chance you can put up a vacuumer at one end and suck through a pulling wire. (also measure the length, it might be a good help to determine the route.)
I had tried that.

I just found out where the break was - about a metre down from the last access point is the place that my nylon fish gets stuck.
Anyway, a bit of jiggling of the wires and the neutral wire comes up, broken, with burnt insulation.
The wires going up to this point from the fuse box are firmly stuck.

I'm not convinced it's a blockage of builders' rubbish - it my be a break or kink.in the pvc conduit.
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Re: Good electrician in the Rotkreuz area?

Don't know your house, but personally I'd smash a hole in the ceiling for a proper fix, also I would want to either have a visual inspection on the other wires, or just to replace them since it is unknown what the heat did with their isolation, might be great, might be on the edge of so dry it can crack within some years.

And as for breaking, you need to get a new wire in anyway, sound like that is not going to happen as is. Still sucks tho.
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