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Old 03.06.2019, 19:29
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No need to buy furniture and paying agent is also useless here. Just keep trying. It takes some time here to get one.
Thanks you. One months rent for an agent seems like robbery for the work they do. I agree. Have to keep trucking along :-)
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Old 03.06.2019, 19:34
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Not necessarily. Tenants can withdraw from their contracts only in fixed moments of the year (usually September or March); if they want to leave in a different moment they have to either pay the missing months or find a new tenant. In the latter case it's up to them to find the new tenant, that's why you never see the landlord in the process.


That's common practice, yes.


Landlord does not care at this stage; he/she will get money until the next withdrawal window anyways.


You are NOT legally bound to take up any furniture, however you are right that as long as the tenants are doing the screening they can influence the process. If the landlord is smart he will ask for 10 forms or more and then he will decide ignoring the furniture topic and concentrating on income, pets or whatever else. If the landlord is lazy he wil ask for just a couple of forms and the tenant will have high selection power.
As you can see, it's a matter of the landlord delegating some powers (and time-consuming duties) to the tenant.

Usually there is no bidding, but prices of furniture are known in advance at the moment of visiting the property.


You can try to access the landlord, I don't think it's forbidden, but usually if the tenant is doing the screening it's because it's his duty and not the landlord's (see above) so the landlord will much likely forward you to the tenant.
When tenants move out within the withdrawal period they don't bother doing any screening at all because they don't have to... in that case you get ONLY access to the landlord (or the agency) and the property will be given to you without any item from the previous tenant.


In principle I think it would work and you would have the law on your side because furniture is totally not part of the contract, but if I remember correctly to transfer a contract you need the signatures of the current tenants and they will likely finalize the furniture thing first.
So, in the end you might be looking for unnecessary friction and potentially lose a lot of time.
Think at your actual hourly salary and factor a couple of hours of discussion plus the risk of losing the property, it might actually be more convenient to pay, say, 300 CHF for unwanted furniture that you can later resell after you move in. I know, it's a bit silly, but remember: you are not renting an available property with a brand new contract, you are taking over an existing contract from a private person... some negotiation and compromises are inhevitable.

Yes, we are in temporary accommodation / serviced apartments in Seefeld. I am hoping there are more options as we move into the Summer for a September move in date where tenants can exit the lease formally
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Old 03.06.2019, 21:46
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After completing a secondment with a big bank in Zurich for six months, I have signed a permanent contract and I am looking for long-term rental accommodation from the 1st of July (currently in serviced apartment).
I've worked for the 2 biggest Swiss banks and both of them have internal market website where you can find flat ads. Usually they are from employees that will leave the country and want to pass their rent to another one. Can you check if the bank you're working have this internal market website?
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What, even though its not allowed to do so?
What do you mean by not allowed? On my experience, the landlord or the agency will only sign the handover protocol with the old tenants if he/she has written confirmation that the new tenant accepts all the furniture that stays in the apartment during handover (the rest should be removed before the handover). Otherwise, if the new tenant refuses to accept the furniture after the handover protocol is already signed it will be the problem of the landlord to remove the furniture. That's why, even if the furniture is the matter of agreement between tenants, all the three parties involved are interested that the handover of the furniture is done in the most official way to avoid future misunderstandings.
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Old 04.06.2019, 23:18
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In principle I think it would work and you would have the law on your side because furniture is totally not part of the contract, but if I remember correctly to transfer a contract you need the signatures of the current tenants and they will likely finalize the furniture thing first.
So, in the end you might be looking for unnecessary friction and potentially lose a lot of time.
Only the owner's signature is necessary. The old renter has no say as such, legally speaking their only aim is to get out of the contract, which they do by presenting an acceptable follow-on renter.

Coupling the new rental contract with selling furniture or appliances, i.e. making the sale a condition for the new contract or for relaying the application, is unlawful. Any such arrangement is void (code of obligations §254).

Plus there's the tiny but not-so-insignificant problem of criminal code §157, i.e. the possibility of the old renter comitting usury: abusing a position of need [probably met due to the rental market in Zürich] by selling something above market value can be illegal and punishable with up to five years prison (or a fine, which would most certainly be applied here, assuming it comes to that in the first place).

However any such sale that isn't contingent on forwarding the application or on concluding a follow-on contract is binding, so the new renter may still want to tread carefully. The fact alone that both tenants have agreed to some sale doesnt' make it void, unlawful or illegal.

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What do you mean by not allowed? On my experience, the landlord or the agency will only sign the handover protocol with the old tenants if he/she has written confirmation that the new tenant accepts all the furniture that stays in the apartment during handover (the rest should be removed before the handover). Otherwise, if the new tenant refuses to accept the furniture after the handover protocol is already signed it will be the problem of the landlord to remove the furniture. That's why, even if the furniture is the matter of agreement between tenants, all the three parties involved are interested that the handover of the furniture is done in the most official way to avoid future misunderstandings.
As you say, the owner merely wants to avoid the hassle and cost of having to remove the stuff themselves. Once the follow-on rental contract has been signed, which should happen long before handover, that's no longer relevant for the new renter either.
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If you do get the landlord/agency address, send a letter with your application explaining why that particular apt is perfect.
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Ask your employee to give you letter of recommendation
Make a good cover letter that explain your background, with who will you live there, or your cv.
Certificate no debt that valid less than 3 month
On visit it help if you bring local friend, to ask, to talk, or ask recommendation from previous tenant
Bring all these paper in e format and paper format
Be the first to visit and submit the application
It help if you have previous landlord recomendation
Send application as many as you like
Respond fast to return call
After do this circle all the time you will get used to it and get 1.
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