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Any electricians here?

So after setting up my new media devices, electricity on my living room suddenly went kaput. Thought it was just a fuse but even when I put it back on, all electricity on my living room still stays off including ceiling light.

Would anyone have any idea is there some other fuse inside of the whole thing (aside from the one controlled by grey switch which i turned back up without any impact)

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Old 01.06.2019, 16:01
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Re: Any electricians here?

Post another pic showing the whole breaker panel please.

Does _anything_ electrical work in the rest of the apt, or is it just the one circuit?
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Re: Any electricians here?

When you reset the breaker, does it trip again immediately?

Have you tried unplugging your new devices?
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Old 01.06.2019, 16:30
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Re: Any electricians here?

Assuming everything in your cabinet is up. (with "Thought it was just a fuse but even when I put it back on," you mean it stays up even tho the picture shows it is down?)

Do you have something to measure voltage?

If not do buy one. Does not have to be the most expensive one, and every building/hobby store should have them.

Without such you can't measure if you have all fases incoming or blown a main fuse, you can't measure if the automat is faulty, you can't measure if you have a problem in line or neutral or both.Surely you can determine all of this by swapping parts and trial and error but takes much more time and is not needed with you can measure everything fast and easy.

If however your automat keeps tripping. Unplug everything on that group and see if the automat holds.

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Post another pic showing the whole breaker panel please.

Does _anything_ electrical work in the rest of the apt, or is it just the one circuit?
Here is the pic of full thing. All the other rooms electricity works fine but in living room is completely dead. Changing the switch up and down (on and off) does not make any difference.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f69pfuqvr9...40A8.jpeg?dl=0

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When you reset the breaker, does it trip again immediately?

Have you tried unplugging your new devices?
No as it does nothing actually. Whether it on or off, electricity on living room remains off. Unplugged everything and tried just a ceiling light but even that one is kaput.


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Assuming everything in your cabinet is up. (with "Thought it was just a fuse but even when I put it back on," you mean it stays up even tho the picture shows it is down?)

Do you have something to measure voltage?

If not do buy one. Does not have to be the most expensive one, and every building/hobby store should have them.
I actually have one somewhere but there is no power coming whatsoever. Its like something inside of that fuse switch itself is dead.
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Old 01.06.2019, 16:45
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Here is the pic of full thing. All the other rooms electricity works fine but in living room is completely dead. Changing the switch up and down (on and off) does not make any difference.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f69pfuqvr9...40A8.jpeg?dl=0


No as it does nothing actually. Whether it on or off, electricity on living room remains off. Unplugged everything and tried just a ceiling light but even that one is kaput.




I actually have one somewhere but there is no power coming whatsoever.
Question 1:

Does the automat stay up?

Question 2:

Do you have power on the outgoing side of the automat?

Question 3:

Do you have power on the ingoing side of the automat.

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Its like something inside of that fuse switch itself is dead.
This is one of the many possibilities, but let's work with facts and not with assumptions
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Question 1:

Does the automat stay up?
Yes.

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Question 2:

Do you have power on the outgoing side of the automat?

Question 3:

Do you have power on the ingoing side of the automat.
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This might be a silly question but what do you mean by outgoing and ingoing side of automat? There is power in the other rooms (all switches in left)

Edit: what I have absolutely no idea is that what is the function of those tiny blue "buttons/parts". Pressing one does nothing but believe they are meant for something. Just never seen those before.
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Old 01.06.2019, 16:58
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This might be a silly question but what do you mean by outgoing and ingoing side of automat? There is power in the other rooms (all switches in left)
Ingoing - Should be the bottom side, and are the wires that feed your automat.

Outgoing - Should be the topside, and are the wires that actually go towards your lamps/rooms.

If you can't answer these two questions I cannot help you any further, since it might be the automat, it might be somewhere earlier in the installation, or even a faulty connection in a box somewhere in your home that went down. You might have to call an electrician (or even your landlord to gain access to a mainfuse/mainswitch.)

So time to find your measurement tool, take of the hood of the cabinet and start measuring.
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Old 01.06.2019, 17:00
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This might be a silly question but what do you mean by outgoing and ingoing side of automat? There is power in the other rooms (all switches in left)

Edit: what I have absolutely no idea is that what is the function of those tiny blue "buttons/parts". Pressing one does nothing but believe they are meant for something. Just never seen those before.
Your automat also does earth leak detection, the blue button is to test this function. If this function does not work than either the automat is faulty, or does not have a proper line and neutral.
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Old 01.06.2019, 18:28
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This might be a silly question but what do you mean by outgoing and ingoing side of automat? There is power in the other rooms (all switches in left)
out of interest, when you said: So after setting up my new media devices, what kind of devices are we talking about and what was involved in setting them up?
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out of interest, when you said: So after setting up my new media devices, what kind of devices are we talking about and what was involved in setting them up?
Nothing more special than amazon echo, google home and some smart sockets, re-connecting vinyl player etc.. Yes there was/is ab 10 devices connected to one wall socket including tv but non which should use high amount of power and with fast calculation total would be below 2kw which i believe all sockets should be able to handle easily.

Even if there would be some peak from smart socket example, that should just "burn" the fuse and nothing more.
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Old 01.06.2019, 22:19
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Re: Any electricians here?

Have you checked the main fuses/breakers in the basement?

I once had a short that took out both the local breaker (in the panel in the apartment) and the main fuse (near the meter in the basement) on one phase.

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Have you checked the main fuses/breakers in the basement?

I once had a short that took out both the local breaker (in the panel in the apartment) and the main fuse (near the meter in the basement) on one phase.

Tom
Good idea actually but unfortunately dont have access/key ( i know where it is as door was open before).


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Noup, thanks for your and for everyones help but next steps would be beyond my skills so emailed landlord to take care of it.
Aside noticed that also my cooker does not work anymore which makes no sense as kitchen has electricity otherwise and did not even touch its fuse (its completely separate)
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Old 02.06.2019, 21:43
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Noup, thanks for your and for everyones help but next steps would be beyond my skills so emailed landlord to take care of it.
Aside noticed that also my cooker does not work anymore which makes no sense as kitchen has electricity otherwise and did not even touch its fuse (its completely separate)
Makes perfect sense if you also blew a fuse upfront of your cabinet.
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Edit: what I have absolutely no idea is that what is the function of those tiny blue "buttons/parts". Pressing one does nothing but believe they are meant for something. Just never seen those before.
The blue button with a "T" is meant to test the circuit breaker.

https://www.hagerelectro.com.au/file...1/0/6A1400.PDF

By your description it seems that another circuit breaker in your apartment basement has tripped too. If you have the skills you could remove the beige plastic fascia covering the wire connections and measure if you have tension in the inlet of your circuit breakers.
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Re: Any electricians here?

Simple test to see if you have both phases coming into the apartment. Is the electric cooker working properly? This is in your case 400V. Try all 4 rings.

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Simple test to see if you have both phases coming into the apartment. Is the electric cooker working properly? This is in your case 400V. Try all 4 rings.

Regards from an electrician

He already said the cooker ain't working.

I thought electricians are known for their analytical skills

Also if the cabinet would be a 3 phase the cooker could still be working great while the cabinet is still missing a phase.

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my cooker does not work anymore which makes no sense as kitchen has electricity otherwise and did not even touch its fuse (its completely separate)
You clealy blew one of the main breakers/fuses in the basement and have lost one phase, as I previously suggested.

Looking at you photo, you have only two phases (we have three). Two go to your stove, the first of which also goes to the rest of your apartment (bedroom, hallway, kitchen, bath), and the second which goes to your living room, as indicated on the labels.

You have blown the main to the second phase. It is in the basement, next to the meter.

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He already said the cooker ain't working.

I thought electricians are known for their analytical skills

I didn’t read carefully enough...

Also if the cabinet would be a 3 phase the cooker could still be working great while the cabinet is still missing a phase.
Key word here is IF. The fuse board is two phase.
As everyone else mentioned the bezügersicherung by the meter (doesn’t have to be in the cellar as mentioned, can also be in a cupboard in the stairway) is blown.
You need to unscrew and replace 20A or 25A.
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