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Urgent : help please! Small wall paint after apartment handover

Hi there,
Could anyone please recommend someone to paint a small lobby/entrance hallway wall? The new tenant who has moved in has apparently spotted some very fine marks left by furniture. Landlord was fine at the handover but the guy seems a bit special. Even the landlord was annoyed at the demand as the wall is actually new as the apartment is merely 3 years old.

Any advice on if this stuff is covered by insurance?

Looking forward to hearing from some helpful souls.

Thank you all!
Please PM me and I will share pictures of the wall.

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Old 04.06.2019, 18:19
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Re: Urgent : help please! Small wall paint after apartment handover

Paint is supposed to last 8 years so your liability is 5/8 of the cost. Liability insurance may cover this less the excess. Landlord pays 3/8


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Hi there,
Could anyone please recommend someone to paint a small lobby/entrance hallway wall? The new tenant who has moved in has apparently spotted some very fine marks left by furniture. Landlord was fine at the handover but the guy seems a bit special. Even the landlord was annoyed at the demand as the wall is actually new as the apartment is merely 3 years old.

Any advice on if this stuff is covered by insurance?

Looking forward to hearing from some helpful souls.

Thank you all!
Please PM me and I will share pictures of the wall.

xx ukg
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Re: Urgent : help please! Small wall paint after apartment handover

Does the landlord have a claim? If the handover went tickety-boo and you both signed it, then you should be in the clear.

The damage may very well have happened when the new tenants moved in.
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Old 04.06.2019, 18:59
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Paint is supposed to last 8 years so your liability is 5/8 of the cost. Liability insurance may cover this less the excess. Landlord pays 3/8
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Yes - will send this whole thing to my insurance.
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Old 04.06.2019, 22:08
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Yes - will send this whole thing to my insurance.

If you have a sign off whereby everybody is happy with the condition of the apartment as you left it, it is now a problem between the landlord and the new tenant, nothing to do with you at all !
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Hi there,
Could anyone please recommend someone to paint a small lobby/entrance hallway wall? The new tenant who has moved in has apparently spotted some very fine marks left by furniture. Landlord was fine at the handover but the guy seems a bit special. Even the landlord was annoyed at the demand as the wall is actually new as the apartment is merely 3 years old.

Any advice on if this stuff is covered by insurance?

Looking forward to hearing from some helpful souls.

Thank you all!
Please PM me and I will share pictures of the wall.

xx ukg
Could you post a pic please Its irrelevant that the apartment is new or that paint lasts 8 years
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Does the landlord have a claim? If the handover went tickety-boo and you both signed it, then you should be in the clear.

The damage may very well have happened when the new tenants moved in.
Depends on whether there's a handover protocol that's been signed by both parties.

If yes see post #5, otherwise the owner must inform the renter about the damages within 2-3 business days.

That said, what's been noted on the protocol is binding (usually). Even in a case where the renter signed to pay for damages they're clearly not required to by law or regulations the protocol prevails. It's one of the many reasons why it's often a good idea to have someone from the Mieterverband do the handover, all too often the owner/regie plays dirty.
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Hi there,
Could anyone please recommend someone to paint a small lobby/entrance hallway wall? The new tenant who has moved in has apparently spotted some very fine marks left by furniture. Landlord was fine at the handover but the guy seems a bit special. Even the landlord was annoyed at the demand as the wall is actually new as the apartment is merely 3 years old.

Any advice on if this stuff is covered by insurance?
Furniture marks on the wall panting is considered normal wear and tear. AFAIK you have no obligation to re-paint it.
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Old 05.06.2019, 13:47
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Furniture marks on the wall panting is considered normal wear and tear. AFAIK you have no obligation to re-paint it.
Thatís exactly what I was going to say.

If the landlord was happy with it when you did the handover then the OP is under no obligation to do anything.
Unless it is horrendously bad I donít think the new tenant can demand that it be repainted either if it is within the lifespan of the paint. They just need it noted on the move in protocol that the wall was damaged in that area ( preferably with photos). If the landlord chooses to repaint it then that is between himself and the new tenant and is nothing to do with you if he signed off on it at the handover.
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Re: Urgent : help please! Small wall paint after apartment handover

Presumably the new tenant saw the place before signing the rental contract. If one moving in he's discovered some marks (maybe caused by him moving in) then this should be noted by the landlord so he doesn't have to pay when he leaves.

If there was a proper handover accepted by the landlord, then you have to pay nothing.
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Re: Urgent : help please! Small wall paint after apartment handover

It might be worth chatting to MV if you are members. I received an invoice for 2500 francs for garten work and tree removal....two years AFTER I left the property. I ignored it and they sent another stating if I didn't pay it the invoice would go up 30francs if they had to send a reminder.
I spoke to the MV in Zurich and they wrote a letter to the agent stating its nothing to do with me as everything was in order when we left and they repaid our deposit very quickly ( trees by the way are never the responsibility of the tenant if they are large or need removing)Ö.and we left the garden in a far better shape than when we took over. There are some terrible agents...This one in particular were bad....their name begins with H if you want to avoid them. :-)
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Hi there,
Could anyone please recommend someone to paint a small lobby/entrance hallway wall? The new tenant who has moved in has apparently spotted some very fine marks left by furniture. Landlord was fine at the handover but the guy seems a bit special. Even the landlord was annoyed at the demand as the wall is actually new as the apartment is merely 3 years old.

Any advice on if this stuff is covered by insurance?

Looking forward to hearing from some helpful souls.

Thank you all!
Please PM me and I will share pictures of the wall.

xx ukg

In the meantime if you end up needing a painter, I can help, just PM me. Thanks
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Hi there,
Could anyone please recommend someone to paint a small lobby/entrance hallway wall? The new tenant who has moved in has apparently spotted some very fine marks left by furniture. Landlord was fine at the handover but the guy seems a bit special. Even the landlord was annoyed at the demand as the wall is actually new as the apartment is merely 3 years old.

Any advice on if this stuff is covered by insurance?

Looking forward to hearing from some helpful souls.

Thank you all!
Please PM me and I will share pictures of the wall.

xx ukg
You did a formal handover which was accepted, so it's now nothing to do with you so politely tell the landlord he has to deal with it himself.

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If there was a proper handover accepted by the landlord, then you have to pay nothing.
Exactly and I am confused as to why the OP feel they should deal with this... it's not their responsibility any longer!

If I was the landlord I would check the supposed paint damage and if it's insignificant politely tell the new tenant stuff it.
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You did a formal handover which was accepted, so it's now nothing to do with you so politely tell the landlord he has to deal with it himself.



Exactly and I am confused as to why the OP feel they should deal with this... it's not their responsibility any longer!

If I was the landlord I would check the supposed paint damage and if it's insignificant politely tell the new tenant stuff it.
Hey guys,
Yes thatís the problem. The landlord wasnít present at the handover. Only the cleaning lady who does not speak a word of English. I was under the impression that the whole thing was fine and therefore signed it.

I know - for the Nth time I havenít learned that I canít trust anyone here - especially if the documents are in German. The pictures and talk of damage emerged a day later.

Please see the picture I was sent:

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You did a formal handover which was accepted, so it's now nothing to do with you so politely tell the landlord he has to deal with it himself.



Exactly and I am confused as to why the OP feel they should deal with this... it's not their responsibility any longer!

If I was the landlord I would check the supposed paint damage and if it's insignificant politely tell the new tenant stuff it.
He was sounding like that initially when he told me about it. But has now *completely* changed his tune and says this is excessive ďwearĒ (I mean..... delusions much?).

I had not slept in 3 nights because the cleaner I hired (also through the landlord) was so useless. So on the day of handover wasnít quite thinking straight.
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He was sounding like that initially when he told me about it. But has now *completely* changed his tune and says this is excessive ďwearĒ (I mean..... delusions much?).

I had not slept in 3 nights because the cleaner I hired (also through the landlord) was so useless. So on the day of handover wasnít quite thinking straight.
If he was not present it makes no difference, the handover was conducted on the agreed date by his representative... right? It's still his problem in my view.
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If he was not present it makes no difference, the handover was conducted on the agreed date by his representative... right? It's still his problem in my view.
Yup. The signed protocol is final WRT visible or easily detectable damages and defects.
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No need for repainting, tell him to use the magic sponge

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Seems that it's got nothing to do with you at this stage. Signed sealed and delivered! Let the landlord take care of it. He's silly enough to trust a cleaner with the handover then he has to deal with the result. Did you pay any holding deposit when you moved into the apartment?
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Seems that it's got nothing to do with you at this stage. Signed sealed and delivered! Let the landlord take care of it. He's silly enough to trust a cleaner with the handover then he has to deal with the result. Did you pay any holding deposit when you moved into the apartment?
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Iím not sure if Iím being naive but the advice you give is what everyone Iíve spoken to has given me so itís becoming clear it really should not be my issue. However the landlord is now harassing me with dozens of messages about this and when I mentioned the MV he said they should call him directly. I have about 6,000 in deposit with him. Iím not even sure what was written on the protokoll when I signed but he is claiming this is one of the things I need to fix (other being lock cylinder change penalty - but that is my fault so itís ok).

How do I dispute this when he is insisting itís ďdamageĒ beyond normal wear?
I bought the magic sponge and am willing to go have a shot at it myself but the new tenant is being difficult. Only says he can give the keys / be there next week. The thing is I am leaving the country and this shit is distracting me from very real and much bigger issues.

Writing to the MV now but as their response times are an amazing 3 days - not sure what to do in the mean time.
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