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Hello All! As my family are soon moving to a house we are looking to do some renovations but we are drawing a blank on what to expect in terms of the costs here in Switzerland. We are looking to retile two bathrooms and change out sinks, move bath etc and also do a kitchen remodel.

Does anyone know what ball park ranges we should be expecting? Also if anyone has recommendation's for people to do this work in the Zurich / Winterthur area it would be appreciated!
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Re: Costs of construction

One good way to get local recommendations is to ask the seller of the house whom they (or their neighbours) have used in the past.
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50k.

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50k.
Close to what I spent. We fully renovated a kitchen (except floor tiles) for 35K, and fully renovated a bathroom (including tiles) for around 30K, including a fancy bathtub.
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Does anyone know what ball park ranges we should be expecting?
Nobody knows with the little info given.

Could be 30K, could be 100K and also strongly depending on what materials you choose.

If your old kitchen is simple, and you now put a big modern one at a different place in the kitchen with much more build-in equipment the price can go up very quickly.
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Hello All! As my family are soon moving to a house we are looking to do some renovations but we are drawing a blank on what to expect in terms of the costs here in Switzerland. We are looking to retile two bathrooms and change out sinks, move bath etc and also do a kitchen remodel.

Does anyone know what ball park ranges we should be expecting? Also if anyone has recommendation's for people to do this work in the Zurich / Winterthur area it would be appreciated!
This guy for the tiling and bathrooms. He was recommended to me by someone on the forum and he's on the second job for us:

http://www.plattenexperte.ch/index.html

For cost-free quotes from local craftsmen - check Renovera.ch.

Make sure anyone you ultimately chose gets good reviews.

As for costs:

10K and up for a bathroom. Tiling is generally not too expensive but other costs can soon mount up - a glass shower screen can be well over 1000 CHF.

Kitchens from 20K to .....anything. Appliances are half the price if you do some ground work and buy them yourself.

I looked at a plain kitchen sink the other day - 635 CHF from Hornbach here but only 300 CHF from Reuter.de
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10K and up for a bathroom...

Kitchens from 20K to .....anything.
So, 2x10k + 20k + ?, i.e. my ballpark 50k was in the ballpark!

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So, 2x10k + 20k + ?, i.e. my ballpark 50k was in the ballpark!

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But what's your overall batting average though?
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So, 2x10k + 20k + ?, i.e. my ballpark 50k was in the ballpark!

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For the absolute minimum - and probably doing a lot of it yourself. Possible though.

A fairly straightforward kitchen with middle-of-the road appliances could be 40K easily.
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I saved some 5K by doing the bathroom demolition myself.








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Re: Costs of construction

I am currently planning... well, dreaming about... well, arguing with my husband over... a kitchen renovation.

The kitchen space is small, which actually makes renovation more expensive. I've visited pretty much all the kitchen places within a half hour of my house, and it seems that many suppliers using standard components prefer to work with larger open spaces. To get someone willing to do small often means one off design and carpentry. So double the price. Or more.

Another thing to factor into your budget - do you need any type of permit? That is, are you in any way changing walls, aspects of the facade, adding to the total m2 of the house?

If not this likely does not apply - but if so, if you need a permit (local bureaucratic attitude dependent) you might find that you also need to hire local companies in order to get the permit. Which means you might have to choose a higher priced provider.

Are you able to take on the role of 'Bauherr', that is, act as your own general contractor? If so you can save a bundle. But you might end up spending the savings on ulcer meds. If you (or your Swiss German skills) are not up to wrangling tradespeople daily for the duration of the project, consider hiring a manager... but it will cost you.

Bottom line: While the figures others have mentioned are possible - I would make sure you have a very comfortable cushion available for all the surprises that are bound to come up. I'd double the estimate - and then breathe a sigh of relief when I didn't need to spend all that. And then use the savings to stock the wine cellar I surely would have depleted during the renovation craziness.
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Re: Costs of construction

After 5 renovations in my house since I bought it (one per year, namely: full kitchen in year 1, full bathroom on year 2, small WC removation plus re-tile living room and dining room in year 3, retiling all stairs and kitchen in year 4, and installing photovoltaic panels + Wärmepumpe in year 5), I agree with everything meloncollie said, BUT: don't let that scare you off. Here's why:

1) If you're only "re-skinning" the kitchen and bathroom, you're very likely not to need permits.
2) Because there's no structural work, the job of "Bauherr" is barely anything to worry about. It's limited to making appointments, opening the door, making sure they return it at the end of the day. All my local contractors have been nothing short of SUPER professional.
3) Yes, there may be some hidden/unexpected costs. But if they were an oversight from the contractor you can negotiate a lot. In my experience common sense rules, and you can meet halfway. I was never way over budget (the worst was the photovoltaic panels, the offer didn't include the "start-up" which cost an additional 3K or so).

My only suggestion is: look for a local contractor, and negotiate with them. Not haggle...but negotiate.
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Re: Costs of construction

Ikea.

Seriously, look at Ikea for the kitchen. 25 year warranty on unit carcases, 5 year warranty on appliances that are Electrolux or Bauknecht under the Ikea label (or were when we did 2 kitchens in 2016 & 2017 respectively).

Shell out chf 99 for a session with one of their kitchen planners, as they have some really bright ideas and know the products really well. Ours even advised us to come back the following week to place the order she prepared, as there was an offer for a CHF 50 voucher for every CHF 250 spent (which meant we got our sofa bed, dining chairs and all kitchen notions effectively for free, saved us 2k)

We DIYd the build as we're handy that way, although if you go that route you will still need a sparky to connect the appliances and possibly a plumber if the sink & dishwasher connections need to be updated or changed.

The kitchen we did in 2016 was just under 3m in each direction, came in at chf 9300 for the units, fronts, worktops, appliances & lighting. We were quoted around 4k for fitting (including connections) if we'd chosen to go down that route. The 2017 kitchen was 2 runs of 2.20m each, plus extra worktop to make a couple of suspended shelves and came in around 8k (again for units, fronts, worktops, appliances & lighting). Obviously the costs will depend on the size of your kitchen.

In terms of the bathrooms, again it depends how much input you want to contribute yourself. Doing demolition work yourself will save a fair bit of money. Fittings supplied by a plumber etc will typically be Swiss makes and cost a lot - we halved the cost of doing the bathrooms by sourcing fittings ourselves (our plumber was OK with us doing that) from e.g. Bauhaus & Hornbach, also from duschmeister.de Bear in mind if you have any probs with the fittings it's then up to you to sort it out, deal with replacements etc. But even then, a glass shower screen was still easily chf 1500. It's obviously up to you how much work you do yourself and whether you want to be able to have a come-back on a tradesman on e.g. the tiling behind a bath.

One thing to think about is that good tradesmen tend to get booked up early, at least around here. You can indeed get a free quote from renovero.ch but the respondents may be bidding because they aren't good enough to be booked out. Or because they are good but just too expensive to be booked up. Or because they are just starting out and don't have a track record for word of mouth yet (which doesn't make them bad of course). As ever YMMV, and that's around here, especially as a lot of places have specific time windows in which work is allowed or prohibited. In your neck of the woods, tradespeople may be booked up by big contractors on major construction projects.

Good luck and have fun!
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One thing to think about is that good tradesmen tend to get booked up early, at least around here. You can indeed get a free quote from renovero.ch but the respondents may be bidding because they aren't good enough to be booked out. Or because they are good but just too expensive to be booked up. Or because they are just starting out and don't have a track record for word of mouth yet (which doesn't make them bad of course).
That's definitely true of Renovera - we recently asked for quotes for quite a complicated outside construction job but I was aware of what was involved.

A couple of the quotes were from companies who had good reviews - for hedge trimming! Those we avoided.

Some were definitely too expensive and they tended to get bad reviews too.

However, the ones that were interesting said they needed to see the site first to give an accurate quotation (which of course makes sense), secondly, they got excellent reviews and thirdly, all promised they could do the job - but could only fit me in some time the next year (or at least in a few months time). As you wrote - this is a good thing - it means they've got a lot of work which usually means they're good.
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Have you considered an offer from a German firm? It will cost less than half of what the Swiss will quote you for the exact same materials and appliances.

a) what happens when something goes wrong that needs fixing in a hurry? You're going to need local tradespeople then. How would you feel being asked to fix something your client had been too cheapskate to place with you in the first place?


b) anyone doing these sort of renovations is pretty much committed to the Gemeinde and area they have bought in. It pays - integration and goodwill-wise - to use local tradespeople. The plumber practically ended up informally project managing the first renovation. Every time we pass the plasterer in the village he waves madly at us. The plumbers wife is president of the local uniun da dunnas/Frauenverein. I have long conversations in Romansch with the sparky's father, who founded the business. Every e.g. New Year's apero has them actively coming up to say hello, how are you doing, everything good? And if we have an problem, they'll be with us within 20-30 minutes, which is fairly useful if e.g. you have a pipe leaking. You just can't put a price on that.


Save on materials by using Bauhaus or Hornbach - you are getting a much better price and the money still goes into the local-ish economy. I only sourced outside CH for items I simply couldn't get here. And had problems with all bar one of the suppliers which was a right PITA to fix.
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b) anyone doing these sort of renovations is pretty much committed to the Gemeinde and area they have bought in. It pays - integration and goodwill-wise - to use local tradespeople.
The last Gemeinde president in our village does almost everything he can himself - and buys the materials from Germany!

I was recommended local 'Gardener' who I was told to use when we moved here.

After a bit of 'digging', I found his knowledge of gardening was pretty much limited to digging holes. Lucky I do my own garden.

I'm not sure I would want to be integrated into a village where I get told who I should use for what.
Luckily for us most tradesmen are in the next Gemeinde (much bigger) anyway so it's not really a problem.
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I'm not sure I would want to be integrated into a village where I get told who I should use for what.
Luckily for us most tradesmen are in the next Gemeinde (much bigger) anyway so it's not really a problem.
We had to get our electrical installation certified this year, so I went to a local guy, who recommended someone else for the test.

Test guy was great, and the local guy ended up charging half of his estimate as I had done certain things myself after getting the report. Sometimes the locales ARE best (or maybe I'm just on good terms with their friends, and word gets around).

Buying locally depends. Even the local mechanic finds some prices totally nuts and has suggested that I look on the internet on more than one occasion, even ordering some stuff for him (he speaks all Swiss languages, but not English, so I deal with the English language sites for him).

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Re: Costs of construction

Depending on construction date, you may need to verify whether there's any asbestos.

We did some mods 3 years ago and this was only mandatory for the part of the house being worked on. During planning - this year - for additional work, now needed to get the entire house essayed.


[Asbestos was used in all sorts of materials, and - I was surprised to learn - not necessarily those relating to heat. It was used to provide textural/viscosity properties in materials such as mortars/adhesives for tiling.]

Bloke came and chipped away at ex/interior floor/wall tiles and left with over a dozen samples. House was built in '87, so 3 years prior (IIRC) to outright ban, so we were very pleased no asbestos was found. Once-only job, but still (IIRC) around CHF1500.

On the bathroom side, our architect's rule of thumb (design/planning, materials, labour etc.): CHF5k/m2 - more if high-end materials. I don't know the equivalent for kitchens but it's probably closer to 10k(?).


If there's no asbestos, you can save a bunch on demolition and evacuation. If you're somewhat DIY-minded, floors and painted walls aren't that tricky. Leave gas, electricity (esp in a wet room) and water/drainage to the pros though.



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